Posted on 10/14/2007 10:22:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
You are never away from a computer, are you?
There are limits of course. We shouldn’t be selling anything to a potential adversary of national security concerns and anything imported into the country should comply with our safety and health standards.
Rarely. I have two plugged in at the moment . . . too lazy to boot-up the third.
I’m not suggesting that we should create tariffs to subsidize all of our industries, but there are some things that we need to make certain are made ‘in country’.
He has consistently said that what is currently described as ‘free trade’ is typically written to give an unfair advantage to the nations we are trading with.
I agree with Hunter that there are several "free trade agreements" that need to be renegotiated.
Perhaps you can get with that other guy and start a Marxists for Hunter chapter. He'll find it funny also.
Some of his supporters have a tendency to project themselves upon him (just a little, and just my opinion). He's not the populist hero they think he is.
Actually, they do all the time, because it makes the paleo-bolsheviks run from the thread in tears.
The idea of transfering wealth to third world countries so that one day they will buy our products is laughable.
It also speaks to the idea that Fleece Traders have more loyalty to the market then to their own country. When China can acquire the latest in Military Tech from ITT through outsourcing, and yet this gets applauded, that says more then I could ever type.
Nary a peep on that, good thing to, it is hard to defend the undefensable but I’m sure you might try....yeah right..LOL
The market is an ass, it doesn’t care who rides it or which country benefits from it’s usage, right now, we are engaging in one sided trade deals, the US employee sees their benefits and wages decline, and corporations make more profit, and the new jobs that are created are shadows of the ones shipped overseas.
Actually, they do all the time, because it makes the paleo-bolsheviks run from the thread in tears.
Ahh, kick the dog and listen to the barking you’re the one cheerleading to give away military technology to the ChiComs, and yet you sling the charge that anyone who opposes you is a bolshevek?
How Saul Alansky of you comrade, good job they will be pleased over at Commintern...won’t they comrade?
“The market is an ass..........”: padre35
Bud, you just completely gave yourself away. Anti-Market is Anti-Capitalist and that puts you in the same group as the statists. Now the question is which brand of statist are you?
Oh pleeeeze, to funny, when you stop cheerleading for the process that allows military Tech transfers, let me know what sort of Interantionalist you were.
Sling charges all you would like:
Fact remains, Fleece Trade is dead, good riddance.
Two good Reps lost their seats due to this CAFTA Bravo Sierra, my own Rep Charles Taylor was booted out of office in favor of half witted Ex NFK QB,H. Shuler, Robin Hayes won by less then 100 votes after flip flopping on this issue, no way he votes for the “send decent paying job overseas” laws again.
Sorry fellas, attack if you’d like, your fighting a losing battle..pity that....
I know the routine. Now you all take turns insulting me. I've seen your work before.
Good, then you know how this works. Look, you know that I am going to come at you with a free-market bias but even when I try and objectively look how you injected yourself into the dialogue (with a bizarre and ambiguous parenthetical note), I still cannot find any leg on which to support what you wrote.
Let's take it one by one:
But making money is what it's all about.
Biased look: A FReeper is mocking and berating the profit motive. I feel like vomiting whenever I see this.
Objective look: yeah, sort of. But satisfying your customers’ wants and retaining good employees to generate revenue requires a business to give thought to more than personal and greedy self-interest.
Screw America and American workers.
Biased look: guy does not have a clue what he’s talking about…not one clue, this topic is much too complicated for him to learn and it's much too emotional for him to desire to learn it.
Objective look: yes, some American workers are going to have to find new ways to employ their skills and it is painful. But, how are Americans being screwed when many of them voluntarily purchase the goods that are being imported – goods that used to be made in America? Have we really screwed ourselves? Have we really suffered?
As long as there's a profit to be made on the backs of third world workers, what's the big deal?
Biased look: wait, which way do you want it. You deride these people who voluntarily work for companies that are supposedly taking our jobs but yet you believe that they are being exploited. Love/hate relationship? Or, is it doublespeak and talking out of both sides of your mouth?
Objective look: everyone who works for “The Ownership” has profits made on their backs. An owner takes a risk in hiring people and because they take the risk, they reap the rewards of the value a worker brings to the table. Once an individual worker starts thinking like a businessman, s/he starts understanding the nature of business, of people, of motives, of how they fit in a process, of how they facilitate the goals of the business. They no longer think of themselves as being exploited and instead feel liberated. If you are not at that point in your life, I wish you good and speedy luck in your journey to get there.
For what it is worth, you sounded [sarcastically] angry and misguided. That said, there was some Marxist overtones there. If you don’t wish to be called out on it any longer, then perhaps you should be more careful in how you frame your contribution to the discussion…especially when you insert yourself in one that’s ongoing/in progress.
You either believe in Individual Freedom or you don’t. I don’t need you telling me how to spend my money and you shouldn’t have the right to force me to bend to your wishes.
Get and read some economics books on this subject by Adam Smith, Bastiat, von Mises, Hayek, and Friedman and then get back with us.
“We can compete in the global marketplace if we are not strangled by stifling regulations, taxes, entitlements, and litigation.”
Yea, we should hire 12 year olds and work the little buggers 16+ hours a day until they drop from exhaustion. Perhaps we can also put them in dangerous shop conditions with a lot of nasty pollutants around. Then and only then can we “compete” on a level laying field. You make some valid points.
Not.
“I just think it’s laughable that an ostensible conservative can appear on a conservative website, start spouting “worker exploitation” BS, and expect to be taken seriously.”
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So there are no factory sweatshops in Central America and Asia?
Actually.... we (US) have our own crap-hole sweatshops..
“From the garment interests, of course. Because garment workers are paid nearly slave wages, the factory owners are able to amass enormous capital both to pay off United States Congressmen to maintain the CNMI’s political status quo and to buy votes for their local candidate.”
http://www.saipansucks.com/about.htm
You’re smarter than that. Really. Should YOUR viewpoint be taken seriously?
What makes you think that I haven’t Read Bastiat and Von Mises etc?
Has the thought not crossed your mind that their arguments are always convincing to anyone who reads their work?
The problem (the way I see it)is that those authors and free trade fans see people as abstractions, not actual..fellow citizens, that is what tipped the scale away from the majority of their suppositions, For me anyway.
“If” we had guaranteed Reciprocity with every country that we made trade deals with.
“if” our regulatory structures were modernized and in some cases completely eliminated
“if” we did not finance our national enemies military build ups
And to be blunt, if our educational system was better top to bottom, then I would be all for Hong Kong in America, the standard of living and quality of life would be greatly improved in the US.
Alas, that is not the case today, Fleece Trade is more about creating carcasses and then picking over the bones.
It is actual citizens, not abstractions, that benefit from economic freedom. We prosper when we allow markets the freedom to operate. It’s odd to me that you can’t look around at the country and see that we are in the midst of a good economy. It reminds me of the late 1920’s. Part of the cause of the Great Depression was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. The Tariff War caused by this certainly didn’t help the economy in the 1930’s, did it?
Idiot child. The EU has no trade deficit. That's why the € is up
Gold is up this morning too
Gold in USD terms that is
Recently it's the dollar sinking that makes gold go up.
Gold as expressed in € is steady many days
I don't like Euro-socialism but I give credit where credit is due. They have no trade deficit so I'm quite impressed
“thanks to the increases in trade, have the ability to provide for their families and possess hope for the future?”
Sounds like wealth redistribution. When will we start giving a damn about American workers again?
And to think that my comments that "inspired" you to write the above were the observations that 1. economic freedom translates into higher per capita incomes, and 2. a Duncan Hunter supporter was using Marxist rhetoric.
Can you guys ever make an argument without making stuff up?
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