Posted on 10/12/2007 5:00:39 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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The Roman Catholic Church has traditionally opposed Bibles in the hands of the laity.
From the Council of Toulouse:
Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.
From the Council of Tarragona:
Canon 2. No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.
And the current RCC has been silent on the matter of allowing private interpretation although they've had to get with the program on free speech because their bans on vernacular Bibles (which were last stated in the 1983 Code of Canon Law) are wholly irrelavant to the citizens of free nations. The RCC may yet still frown on people having their own Bibles but they are utterly powerless to do anything about it.
Which is as it should be.
Absent the Templars there would be no Western Civilization.
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“Amusingly, doesn’t this mean that the descendants of the slaughtered Templars should be able to sue France for damages plus interest?”
After the Terror, doubtful...
OH!!! You didn't turn the other cheek like Jesus says...
And no matter how you "spin it" the Roman Catholic Church was complicit in that sordid chapter. 20 Hail Marys for you sinner...
You are the second moron to ask me this. What is wrong with you? It seems the Muslims aren't the ONLY religion that is zealously defended to the death. And quite frankly, the Roman Catholic church has done a LOT to deserve being bashed. But that wasn't my intention in my previous post.
20 Hail Marys for you too, sir/madam!
You are the second moron to ask me this. What is wrong with you? It seems the Muslims aren't the ONLY religion that is zealously defended to the death. And quite frankly, the Roman Catholic church has done a LOT to deserve being bashed. But that wasn't my intention in my previous post.
20 Hail Marys for you too, sir/madam!
I wait until I see one for $9.99 on eBay.
An integral lesson in the Order of de Molay. I will say no more other than I was a proud member before becoming a Mason.
Nam Vet
I quoted the Catholic Encyclopedia dopey. It specifically blames nobles in Philip’s court. Like or don’t that’s what it says.
The idea that the laity shouldn’t have bibles is crap.
Greedy buggers. This should be published as a PDF and put in libraries around the world.
Well, I've spent a life time (I'm a great grandparent) studying, reading, researching - and that's half the fun. I wouldn't want to spoil the hunt for anyone else. But I'll give you one small but huge example: They knew the Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute.
Nonsense. I went to a catholic high school and not only were we required to have a copy of the bible and to read it, we were given the opportunity to participate in sharing our interpretations of it in class.
Ummm... Did you entirely misread the article? The Roman Church vindicated the Knights Templar; the secular government of France killed them. (in this sense “secular” means only as opposed to “ecclesiastical”; I do not claim that the government of France wasn’t Catholic.) And they were hardly innocent.
You jest, but the answer is probably “yes.” Influenced by Free Masons, following the Calvinist-Catholic wars, the Swiss emerged as formally neutral in European conflicts (including to their eternal dishonor, WWII). Hence, the Swiss flag became a symbol of neutrality, including medical workers in battlefields. Thereby, it became a symbol of also of medicine in general.
Well “Grumpy” that was not what I had a problem with.
It is the rewriting history I had a problem with.
Templars is going to have to be re-written to blame the Pope as co-conspirator for the murder of the Templars and the theft of their property.
Any rewrite would have to say that Clemet was coerced in to executing the Templars. But that would not be much of a rewrite.
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