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Blackwater Guards Fired at Fleeing Cars, [U.S.] Soldiers Say; [ Incident Called 'Criminal']
Wash Post ^ | Oct 12 07 | Sudarsan Raghavan and Josh White

Posted on 10/12/2007 7:20:43 AM PDT by freedomdefender

Blackwater USA guards shot at Iraqi civilians as they tried to drive away from a Baghdad square on Sept. 16, according to a report compiled by the first U.S. soldiers to arrive at the scene, where they found no evidence that Iraqis had fired weapons.

"It appeared to me they were fleeing the scene when they were engaged. It had every indication of an excessive shooting," said Lt. Col. Mike Tarsa, whose soldiers reached Nisoor Square 20 to 25 minutes after the gunfire subsided. His soldiers' report -- based upon their observations at the scene, eyewitness interviews and discussions with Iraqi police -- concluded that there was "no enemy activity involved" and described the shootings as a "criminal event." Their conclusions mirrored those reached by the Iraqi government, which has said the Blackwater guards killed 17 people.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: blackwater; blackwaterusa; iraq; joshwhite; miketarsa; raghavan; sudarsanraghavan; tarsa; white
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To: Proud2BAmerican

I didn’t post anything to infer those comments.


101 posted on 10/12/2007 12:59:10 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: freedomdefender
"Blackwater created and fostered a culture of lawlessness amongst its employees, encouraging them to act in the company's financial interests at the expense of innocent human life," the 17-page complaint says.

Okay. . .this could be true. . .but how does killing 17 innocent civilians act in the company's financial interest?

I very much doubt that looking out for the company's financial interest had anything to do with it.

102 posted on 10/12/2007 1:03:26 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: anymouse

My, my, my.

Thank you for making my point.


103 posted on 10/12/2007 1:03:40 PM PDT by starlifter
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To: freedomdefender
Blackwater spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell said the company was aware of the lawsuit and would defend itself vigorously. She declined to comment further on the Nisoor Square incident until an ongoing FBI investigation is completed.

Seems fair to me.

104 posted on 10/12/2007 1:04:29 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Proud2BAmerican

Now then...be careful. Your intemperate comments might get someone’s undies in a knot.


105 posted on 10/12/2007 1:05:29 PM PDT by starlifter
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To: ChurtleDawg

” these Blackwater guys (and other privatized paramilitary outfits) are pretty much despised by everyone”

Good point. The people they protect are infuriated that they are all still alive./s


106 posted on 10/12/2007 1:30:37 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: freedomdefender

” some policy that has Bush’s name on it”

Ah, the old ‘Bush’s War!’ nonsense.

P.S. You forgot to accuse Blackwater of stealing oil.


107 posted on 10/12/2007 1:55:34 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: Alberta's Child

“Iraqi government that is basically just a puppet of the United States”

I thought you anti-war people claimed that the Iraqi government was a puppet of Iran?


108 posted on 10/12/2007 1:57:31 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: freedomdefender

“I’m not surprised that the Bushbots won’t look at this situation objectively”

Speaking of objectively, is the investigation still ongoing? Have you already determined that Blackwater is guilty?


109 posted on 10/12/2007 2:00:18 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: freedomdefender
So you're calling the US Soldiers who made this report - and used the word, "excessive" - you're calling them "Leftists"? I'm sure they'll appreciate that.

Thank you, Moby.

I have no proof (nor do you) whether this is true, whether the person cited is accurately quoted or what the political leaning of that person is.  We do have ample evidence that the Washington Post, among others, is not above lying to try to damage our country, particularly our military.

Having said that, you do know what an REMF is, don't you?  Are you suggesting that there are none of those in Iraq?  Or how about "soldiers" like Scott Beauchamp?  Admit it, it does happen and the WaPo would clearly have a tendency to seek out such "sources" for their reports.

There is an active campaign to try to discredit Blackwater as a way to damage our position in Iraq and it is being coordinated between elements in the dinosaur media and Al Qaeda.  I'm not questioning their patriotism.  I'm flat out calling them traitors. 

110 posted on 10/12/2007 2:06:01 PM PDT by Phsstpok (When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring!)
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To: devolve

Lol, bump your post devolve.


111 posted on 10/12/2007 2:12:36 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: potlatch


Re-Bump!


112 posted on 10/12/2007 3:07:07 PM PDT by devolve (---- -Secret_Asian_Man_&_Dr.No-No_Sorass_-)
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To: devolve

Lol, at least you didn’t pile up helcopters as ‘credits’.
Excellent graphic.


113 posted on 10/12/2007 3:12:38 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

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Thanks potlatch


114 posted on 10/12/2007 3:30:25 PM PDT by devolve (---- -Secret_Asian_Man_&_Dr.No-No_Sorass_-)
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To: Calpernia
Yes you did.

The Nisoor Square incident is the new Haditha.

Given the context in which you made that comment -- in relation to an article which includes claims by a U.S. soldier that are incriminatory of Blackwater -- one reasonable inference from that statement is that you view the soldier's comments as untrustworthy.

It would also be a reasonable inference that you view the soldier as misinformed or incorrect.

It would also be a reasonable inference that you believe the reporter misquoted the officer.

These are 3 reasonable inferences that can be drawn from your post. I suspect that's why the person was questioning you about it, and not stating it as a fact (i.e. -- "So you think the soldier was untrustworthy?" rather than "You think the soldier is untrustworthy.").

115 posted on 10/12/2007 7:18:15 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: Proud2BAmerican

>>>It would also be a reasonable inference that you view the soldier as misinformed or incorrect.

Nope. I have comments in this thread stating otherwise. Try again.


116 posted on 10/12/2007 7:22:15 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: devolve
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117 posted on 10/12/2007 8:23:27 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Calpernia

Maybe in the ensuing time, but not at the point at which the other poster questioned you about it (post #6 I believe).


118 posted on 10/12/2007 8:36:56 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: devolve; potlatch; Grampa Dave; 4woodenboats; Calpernia; Phsstpok; EagleUSA
Moving on, the broken record that comprises the majority of this piece continues. These are all separate quotes from the article, none copied more than once. See if you get the message that the authors (Dan Eggen and Josh White) are trying to send. It’s tough, so please read very carefully.

“Detainees told FBI interrogators…”

“many said they were severely beaten by captors…”

“a dozen allegations that…”

“One prisoner said…”

“a Koran was flushed down a toilet…”

“a report calling Guantanamo Bay “the gulag of our time”…”

“allegations of detainee abuse at U.S. facilities…”

“While detainees and others have lodged complaints of abuse at Guantanamo Bay…”

“Some captives said they witnessed mistreatment of the Koran…”

“One prisoner said he and other detainees had been “beaten, spit upon and treated worse than a dog…”

“prisoner complained about sexual assaults…”

“interviews included allegations that guards or interrogators at Guantanamo Bay either mishandled the Koran…”

“Another said he was “touched sexually”…”

I could keep going with this for quite some time, but I hope you get the point. There is a definite message being drilled here. This is not objective journalism, it’s a clear attempt to repeat the same idea as many different ways as possible. That idea is somewhere along the lines of, “yea…the Newsweek story happened to not be true… but this stuff is going on, and we all know it.”

He Said, She Said Inmates Alleged Koran Abuse


119 posted on 10/12/2007 10:43:48 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Proud2BAmerican
"Given the context in which you made that comment -- in relation to an article which includes claims by a U.S. soldier that are incriminatory of Blackwater -- one reasonable inference from that statement is that you view the soldier's comments as untrustworthy.

How you're tying incriminating claims against Blackwater into the ambush at Haditha is beyond me. Google WAPO's Josh White and Haditha, take a look at the post you just made, and see if you can rearrange the words to make any sense at all...try adding "ooops" a few times, maybe it'll help, mebbe not.

120 posted on 10/12/2007 11:11:35 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (DefendOurMarines.com)
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