Posted on 10/12/2007 2:59:51 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
Majorities of young people in America describe modern-day Christianity as judgmental, hypocritical and anti-gay. What's more, many Christians don't even want to call themselves "Christian" because of the baggage that accompanies the label.
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It’s seems like this discussion comes up regularly on the threads. Churches aren’t all about helping you. Sometimes it is not for your sake at all that you join a church, but for the good you can do for others.
If you feel that a church is lacking in love or compassion you can help add that to the church, rather than reject contact with your fellow Christians. Man is not perfect. Therefore no church on this earth will be perfect. God remains perfect and nature remains God’s creation; you don’t lose access to them just because you join an imperfect church.
If your faith and knowledge are strong you will come in contact with many seekers or new Christians that can be helped; it is a wonder to help someone come to Christ or understand the word, and it feeds your faith so much to see God work in others and watch them grow. I’ve seen it with people that helped me — it doesn’t have to be just someone that is learning from you, but also the reverse, you see those that are teaching you grow, and that is inspirational and important. As a follower you can help the person leading the group grow! It’s a wonder to see someone become more like Christ. Maybe you will say something important to a preacher or priest and help them. Maybe you will pray for somone in the church and help them. Maybe they will pray for you. Maybe you will need them one day. God can work through you to build the Church. It’s his work on earth through us.
1 Corinthians 12
Spiritual Gifts
1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.
Exactly right.
That is sick.
Ummm, how about posting a quote that IS from the Bible.
The Bible does not say, "Hate the sin, love the sinner." It says, "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he" (Prov. 23:7)
Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9) introducing the concept of hypocritical love. What is hypocritical love? "Should you… love those who hate the Lord? Therefore the wrath of the Lord is upon you" (2 Chr. 19:2). Warning the wicked of the coming judgment is harsh, but is a necessary component of acceptable love. A love that is not hypocritical rebukes and condemns, and then points the way to God.
Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9) introducing the concept of hypocritical love. What is hypocritical love? "Should you… love those who hate the Lord? Therefore the wrath of the Lord is upon you" (2 Chr. 19:2). Warning the wicked of the coming judgment is harsh, but is a necessary component of acceptable love. A love that is not hypocritical rebukes and condemns, and then points the way to God.
Jesus was a man, not a girl. Christianity today has been emasculated. Men and women are different and they communicate differently. Women are softer and nicer than men, and thank God that they are. However, men are not supposed to be women. Today, Christian ministers are expected to behave like women. That foolishness is a death sentence for many unbelievers. Strength, confidence, conviction and tough love appeal to those who are searching. Thus Jesus is a beacon to real seekers. But for those wanting to get lost, Christ is like a street sign that has been reversed by a troublemaker.
Having a sense of right and wrong is WRONG to these kids who have been indoctrinated in secular progressive socialism.
It’s ironic, though - they are supposedly SO tolerant, yet can’t tolerate people with a traditionalist outlook on the world.
I wouldn't expect anything else. Many parents have fallen down on the job in teaching their children the difference between right and wrong. Instead, they have allowed their kids to fill their minds with pop culture which is blatantly anti-Christian.
Not exactly sure what you mean by this, but Jesus very clearly stated we are to preach the gospel, making disciples of all nations. In other words, we aren't supposed to just be nice and never verbally witness about Jesus to people.
Said Mad_as with great judgmentalism. ;)
Do you think God approves of 100,000 square foot churches that are more lavish than any temple in Jesus's time?
Maybe you do not know it when you see it.
Not exactly sure what you mean by this, but Jesus very clearly stated we are to preach the gospel, making disciples of all nations. In other words, we aren't supposed to just be nice and never verbally witness about Jesus to people.Think about it this way. Which was Jesus more hat or cattle? It's one thing to *say* things, it's another thing to do them.
“I witness when I can, but the topic doesn’t come up nearly as often as I wish. “
Here on FR, when I’m in a discussion with atheists and agnostics who assert that belief in God is predicated only on blind faith, I contradict that assertion.
They say, “There’s no proof of the existence of God.” And I reply, “Certainly there is.”
Now, you’d think they’d be all over that like ducks on a junebug, but you know what? Every single time I’ve done it, it has been completely ignored.
And if afterward I have pointed out that they ignored it, they ignore that.
Go figure.
“Living and setting a good example will bring the seekers *to you*. “
Very true. The conduct of two Christians was instrumental in my recovery from agnosticism.
“Do you think God approves of 100,000 square foot churches that are more lavish than any temple in Jesus’s time?”
Insofar as they serve to demonstrate that we really believe that God is deserving of our best efforts, yes.
Then too, as His Holiness Pope Leo XIII wrote on May 15, 1891, “Moneys of this kind, contributed voluntarily by the Christians in every assembly, Tertullian calls “piety’s deposit fund,” because they were expended to “support and bury poor people, to supply the wants of orphan boys and girls without means of support, of aged household servants, and of such, too, as had suffered shipwreck.” [25]
44. Thence, gradually there came into existence that patrimony which the Church has guarded with religious care as the property of the poor. Nay, even disregarding the feeling of shame associated with begging, she provided aid for the wretched poor. For, as the common parent of rich and poor, with charity everywhere stimulated to the highest degree, she founded religious societies and numerous other useful bodies, so that, with the aid which these furnished, there was scarcely any form of human misery that went uncared for.
45. And yet many today go so far as to condemn the Church as the ancient pagans once did, for such outstanding charity, and would substitute in lieu thereof a system of benevolence established by the laws of the State. But no human devices can ever be found to supplant Christian charity, which gives itself entirely for the benefit of others. This virtue belongs to the Church alone, for, unless it is derived from the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, it is in no wise a virtue; and whosoever departs from the Church wanders far from Christ.”
I've never heard this saying before, so I'm not sure what it means. But we know that Jesus did works, but also preached. He preached enough that there was no doubt whatsoever in whose name He was doing works.
So yes, we should strive to show forth Jesus in our actions, but we should also share the gospel so they know in whose name we are doing good works.
It was a judgmental statement. I'm not saying whether judging is right or wrong, but you seemed to think it was. If so, you should stop doing it.
Do you think God approves of 100,000 square foot churches that are more lavish than any temple in Jesus's time?
Have you read enough of the bible to know how lavish the temple was in Jerusalem? How much gold, silver, and gems were used? Funny that Jesus never spoke against it, even though He went to the temple frequently.
Maybe you do not know it when you see it.
I know a hypocrite when I 'see' one.
Exactly what I am talking about - do not presume to tell me how to behave or what to say. I in none of my post(s) on this issue told anyone how to behave. Just that I do not want to associate with persons who behave in that manner. Just like you seem to want to associate with them.And yes I have read the Bible to know enough I just proposed a question. You respond with insults typical.
Thoughtful response - thank you.
Christians should be Judgmental, and anti-gay but not Hypocrites.”
Agreed... I am and I will not apologize..
My generation was taught to make judgements. We were taught to make good decisions for ourselves and those we were responsible for. Now it seems we are being castigated for it.
Go ahead. I won’t stop being judgemental....
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