Posted on 10/12/2007 2:59:51 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
Youth want to do whatever they want and not feel any regret or have anyone point out that what they do is sometimes morally wrong. Youth hate repentance. Youth have been brainwashed to accept sodomy as a non-sin.
“In no way. There are parsecs of difference between “You are a morally deficient scumbag,” and “The argument you have just advanced is invalid because of a, b, and c.””
Quite so. However there is much less difference when it is “the argument you have just advanced is invalid because of a, b and c, and the fact that you have advanced A means you must be immature, B means your thinking is restricted, and C is just evidence that you think I am a bigot”
“I believe that God designed the physical world to give us clues as to the nature of the spiritual world. In the physical world, heat generates light.”
Not so. Heat and light are functions of chemical or nuclear reactions, (or whatever it is that electricity does). You can manipulate said reactions to optimise one or the other (or several others, like sound for example).
Now personally I want to learn from my time on these boards, not just get into “yes you did”/”no I didnt” type exchanges. I want light, not heat.
“We’re already fighting the mooselimbs. Victory depends on how well we fight, not how well we argue.”
That depends on what level we are fighting. If Islam is a challenge (and I think it is) then it has to be opposed on many levels, because it is a worldwide idealogy. There will be times when it must be opposed militarily, there are times when it must be opposed politically, economically and very frequently by debate. Islam is an idea, a concept, a way of looking at things. Ideas cannot be crushed by force, at least not easily. We win most when a muslim looks at his life and the demands that a mechanistic, tradition bound, reactionary religion puts upon it, compares it with the freedom and love that marks the true Christian, and abandons his false prophet for a new life.
“Believing that a religion you think false should—for that reason alone—be proscribed is intolerant in the extreme. You know, bigoted. The logical inference is this: If you think I believe that religions I think false should—for that reason alone—be proscribed, then you think that I am a bigot.”
That is a correct logical inference. Unfortunately for your argument, I dont think that and didn’t state that. I said “if you think Islam is a death cult and a tool of evil” not “if you think Islam is false”.
Judgement has two sides.
One can either judge something as unacceptable and condemn it.
Or, one can judge something as acceptable and condone it.
Christians follow God's lead and whatever He judges as unacceptable, we do not condone.
Exactly. What our system and Constitution say is that there is no legal bar to someone practicing or not whatever religion. Freedom of religion does not mean what the ACLU says, nor does it mean that the vast majority of us who are at least nominally Christian have to vote for a non-Christian or a heretic, or else be a bigot. I agree no law should bar a non-Christian from office as that’s our system, but no Christian is obligated to vote for such a person (or a “lapsed” or heretic “Christian” candidate for that matter)out of fear of being “judgmental”.
“Unfortunately for your argument, I dont think that and didn’t state that. I said “if you think Islam is a death cult and a tool of evil” not “if you think Islam is false”.”
That’s right, you did. My comment was unwarranted.
“Ideas cannot be crushed by force, at least not easily.”
As all history shows us, and, indeed, as the fall of the Soviet Union showed, the only way to crush an idea is the way the Israelites did at God’s behest.
Numbers 21:34. And the Lord said to Moses: Fear him not, for I have delivered him and all his people, and his country into thy hand: and thou shalt do to him as thou didst to Sehon the king of the Amorrhites, the inhabitant of Hesebon.
21:35. So they slew him also with his sons, and all his people, not letting any one escape, and they possessed his land.”
“However there is much less difference when it is “
Nah, it’s just as different.
“All hat and no cattle” is the Texas way of saying a person is a big talker but not much of a doer — i.e. that they are full of crap.
I call BS. I mentioned I didn’t believe in God or religion to a group of kids a summer ago and they acted as though I was going to eat their brains. This person’s been polling the kids with purple hair and not the ones with natural hair colors.
“I call BS.”
No, I think we are seeing a sea-change with relation to young people opinion of homosexuality.
In a few years, to be “anti-gay” will be similar to being “white-power” now.
“As all history shows us, and, indeed, as the fall of the Soviet Union showed, the only way to crush an idea is the way the Israelites did at God’s behest.”
Well, I certainly agree that force does occasionally need to be used and that it can be very effective. The examples of Adolf Hitler and Napoleon Bonaparte (to name but two) both give the lie to the ludicrous idea that “war never settles anything”. However, the ideas that spawned Hitler (and indeed Bonaparte) are still around. Different form perhaps, but still around. For example, one of the oldest heresies doubts the divinity of Jesus. In the time of the early Church it was called Arianism, and it was eventually overthrown, but there are still people around today (and who call themselves Christian) who deny Jesus’ divinity.
To me, fighting an idea requires another, better idea. I think that though we win battles, the war goes on. As is said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
The implication of both is a dismissal of the person’s opinion because of moral or personal shortcomings, so how is that not different?
Most young kids I know find gays to lack judgment.
Another
Rom 10:17
(17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
A word study on judgment and condemnation is interesting.
I understand we do not have the power to send another to Hades or the Lake of Fire, but neither do we have the power to save a fellow man to eternal life, such is reserved to God.
The verses, though which I’ve found to discuss judgment might also be translated as discussing discernment or decision.
Again, besides for the kids with purple hair, Christianity and God are seen as pillars of the community and any person that rejects God is seen as a pariah.
Even more succinctly, conviction and condemnation...
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