Posted on 10/11/2007 5:04:00 PM PDT by Victory111
Promises of supporting third party candidates and refusals to support viable opponents of Hillary Clinton does in fact "violate your allegiance to God". You know full well how things work, and helping Hillary by refusing to vote for her opponent does not help your cause in any way.
The President cannot directly affect Roe V. Wade anyway. He can only do so via supreme court nominations, and I trust any Republican, even Rudy, to nominate someone more likely to oppose Roe than Hillary, who will deliberate pack the court with leftists guaranteed to uphold Roe.
If you live in a state that will vote in the primary, then vote for your favored candidate. But anything less than promising to support a viable Republican opposition to Hillary is just shooting yourself in the foot.
If you want to control and censure what is said on FR as do many on the kook fringe liberal left, then you can always buy the web site and name.
***You seem to really have an issue over projecting that socons want to control. It’s very simple: What you posted is against the rules. Got it? It has nothing to do with censuring or controlling what you say, it is about following a few very simple rules on this forum. If that is too difficult for you to grasp, stay in your sandbox.
When a person argues with a closed mind, nothing is gained.
***After going back & forth with you, this little motto is just so precious. I’m falling all over myself grinning at the irony.
When you could no longer support your debate your tactics changed to that of a debaser and Nitpicker.
***No, I genuinely have trouble reading through your posts. So a fun little blogthings quiz was in order. You deserved that little zinger because of your display of continuous intellectual laziness.
Most Nitpickers are liberal but we do have several on FR and your Third Grade remarks certainly qualify for the designation.
***And, with all this spurring you on, I still can’t get you to post something of substance. You are a waste of my time.
By the way spell checker can be your friend.
***Precious. Really. Irony. Too funny.
BTW:
You claim to be a Christian but your extreme remarks on this thread will do nothing more than drive most nonbelievers away from Christ.
***Well, you may have finally come up with something of substance after all. If you’re serious — notice that IF there, it means hypothetical [hello! Are you listening?]— then I challenge you to a debate. We can debate over whose posts on this thread are a better representation of Christ. We nominate a believer who agrees to decide between the two of us, with none of the baby-splitting nonsense that “both of you need to follow Christ’s footsteps closer”. The loser posts a thread that is an apology to the winner.
Have a good day:)
First off, I'm not defending or supporting Rudy Giuliani. I am, rather, taking a look at a particular scenario, and assessing the statements of those who are looking at the same scenario.
You'll surely concede that the scenario in question here is based on the preconditions that the primaries are over, the Conventions have been held, and the D and R candidates have been selected.
Put another way, that scenario is no longer a question of who to support in the primaries -- and thus it's not covered by the "bug-zapper" clause.
IF it comes down to Rudy vs. Hillary in the General Election, then people will have to deal with the reality that one or the other of them WILL become president.
Giuliani would not be my first choice as a candidate. He wouldn't be my second or third, either. But if he is the candidate who ends up running against Hillary Clinton, then we have to ask "which is the least worst choice?"
I am not foolish enough to believe that "four years of Hillary" is all we'll get. Best case, maybe, but Clintons seem to have a way of getting around our rosy assumptions. And for all Giuliani's faults (of which there are many), Hillary Clinton has the same ones and more, only hers are bigger and more poisonous.
Your argument doesn’t hold.
It is: Vote for Abortionist A or Vote for Abortionist B.
If our faith prevents voting for any abortionist, then that is no choice we’ve been provided.
To insist on Rudy as the Repub nominee is to work on behalf of Hillary.
zxins,
I agree with you.
Who would have thought it? ;-)
I apologize for even answering your first post to me.
I should have recognized that what ever I said to you would evidently be taken as a taint of your pending self Saint Hood.
You have my permission to be the winner in your mind if that truly flips your switch.
Here’s my standard answer to that ridiculous tootyfruityrudy hypothetical, which I dug up from some old rudy thread. I copied & pasted without editing, so the comments might not exactly fit, but you’ll get the drift.
Rudy splits the base.
I would expect rudy supporters to answer the false dilemma because there have certainly been enough of them asking the false dilemma of “who would you vote for, Hildebeast or Rudy”, and your post is a new form of sendup of the same false dilemma. If you don’t like answering false dilemmas, don’t ask them, and get yer buddies to stop asking them. In particular, since this is a socon forum (not even a GOP forum), it is very impolite to ask double-bind questions, expecially this early in the race.
Would you care to answer the false dilemma? Since team rudy is so fond of its own false dilemma, after all.
My contention: If rudy gets the nomination, he splits the base, possibly splits the republican party, and loses the election.
Your contention: If Hunter gets it, he wins the base and loses the election.
Hypothetical to answer your hypothetical. Both sides losing to Hillary.
Side A: The solib republican splits the base. The MSM turns on him the moment he is nominated. Hillary wins. Republican party is split.
Side B: The socon republican wins the nomination, loses to hildebeast in a tough fight. Republicans are united against the hillary presidency.
Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?
Win-Win false dilemma:
Side A: Solib wins presidency by ignoring the socon base and permanently splitting the republican party.
Side B: SoCon wins presidency by (obviously) relying on the socon base.
Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?
LOL!
Interesting “apology”.
Insult ignored, apology accepted. Basis for hypothetical is not true, therefore no need to address the false impression generated.
Here are some of the core founding principles of this forum for you to review before you go off half-cocked against another social conservative in the future.
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I do not understand your post.
Let me be more explicit: I have crawled across the glass and held my nose for the last time.
If the Republicans don't have a candidate that I can support, I will vote for a candidate I can support.
If that puts Hitlery into the White House, so be it, at that point I won't care.
I would rather have an enemy in front of me that I can fight than an enemy behind me ready to stab me in the back.
Thanks. That clears it up for me.
If I perceive that there really is going to be a party split over a rudy nomination, then I’m with the new socon party. But up until that point, my plan is to vote a straight republican ticket. But I will not give the top spot to rudy, it will be to a write-in republican, Duncan Hunter. 100% Republican ticket.
Yup.
I can understand that the MSM would do everything they can to shun him. That’s their way.
But getting the cold shoulder from the evangelical leaders, who turn around and announce that they’ll bolt from the republican party if rudy is nominated? Those guys HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THEIR JOB. These christian leaders have failed the rank & file. That’s something that many of us can agree on, whether we like Dobson (I’m a fan) or not.
I hope it is not too late for them to correct their mistake. My instinct tells me that they’ll continue in the course of action they have been going on, and that it will simply damage Hunter’s campaign beyond repair. I hope I’m wrong.
I always thought Hillary Clinton was wrong about kook fringe right wingers but you lend credibility to her statements.
You have my permission to contact Jim Robinson and make your complaint to him.
Your post makes no sense. How in hell did Duncan Hunter get into the middle of a Rudy/Hillary race?
It's rather simple, actually: pretty much nobody outside his Congressional district had ever heard of him before he threw his hat into the ring, and most people -- STILL -- have never heard of him (except, maybe, to have seen his name in a news story).
It's just the plain truth that Hunter had not previously made a name for himself, independent of this race, and you almost always have to have done that in order to be a credible candidate. You have to have given folks an opportunity to see you in a different context. That's why Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, and Mitt Romney are way up there: people have already had a chance to watch and evaluate them.
Ron Paul fits that description too .... which is why his numbers are and will remain on the floor. ;-)
(Jimmy Carter being the exception, and his candidacy has to be seen through a post-Watergate filter.)
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