Posted on 10/11/2007 2:41:12 PM PDT by Lorianne
Nelson Winbush is intent on defending the flag of his grandfather. It's just surprising which flag that is. ___
KISSIMMEE -- Nelson Winbush rotates a miniature flag holder he keeps on his mantel, imagining how the banners would appear in a Civil War battle.
The Stars and Bars, he explains, looked too much like the Union flag to prevent friendly fire. The Confederacy responded by fashioning the distinctive Southern Cross -- better known as the rebel flag.
Winbush, 78, is a retired assistant principal with a master's degree, a thoughtful man whose world view developed from listening to his grandfather's stories about serving the South in the "War Between the States."
His grandfather's casket was draped with a Confederate flag. His mother pounded out her Confederate heritage on a typewriter. He wears a rebel flag pinned to the collar of his polo shirt.
Winbush is also black.
"You've never seen nothing like me, have you?"
* * *
Winbush's nondescript white brick house near Kissimmee's quaint downtown is cluttered with the mess of a life spent hoarding history.
Under the glass of his coffee table lie family photos, all of smiling black people. On top sits Ebony magazine.
Winbush is retired and a widower who keeps a strict schedule of household chores, family visits and Confederate events. He often eats at Fat Boy's Barbecue, where his Sons of Confederate Veterans camp meets.
Winbush's words could come from the mouth of any white son of a Confederate veteran. They subscribe to a sort of religion about the war, a different version than mainstream America.
The tenets, repeated endlessly by loyalists:
The war was not about slavery. The South had the constitutional right to secede. Confederate soldiers were battling for their homes and their families. President Lincoln was a despot. Most importantly, the victors write the history.
But Winbush has a conceptual canyon to bridge: How can a black man defend a movement that sought to keep his people enslaved?
* * *
Winbush is one of at most a handful of black members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in the country. He knows skeptics question his story and his sanity.
To win them over, he pulls out his grandfather's pension papers, reunion photos and obituary. He also gives speeches, mostly before white audiences.
Winbush believes the South seceded because the federal government taxed it disproportionately. It was a matter of states' rights, not slavery, which was going extinct as the United States became more industrialized, he says. He denies that President Lincoln freed the slaves, explaining that the Emancipation Proclamation affected only the Confederate states, which were no longer under his authority.
"It was an exercise in rhetoric, that's all," Winbush says.
His views run counter to many historical accounts. Rev. Nelson B. Rivers III, the field operations chief for the NAACP, called Winbush's arguments illogical. Rivers spoke with Winbush by telephone a few years ago, intrigued by his position. Rivers remembers him being loud and sincere, holding fast to his convictions.
"I was courteous and respectful and respectfully disagreed with him," Rivers said. "This is America. He has a right to believe what he wants to."
At one speech, Winbush stood in front of the square battle flag that draped his grandfather's coffin, retelling the stories he has told so many times that the words emerge in identical iterations.
At the end of his talk, he held the microphone to a stereo and played a song by the Rebelaires, with a sorrowful, bluesy rhythm: "You may not believe me, but things was just that way. Black is nothing other than a darker shade of rebel gray."
Once other Confederates recognize that his story is real, they love him. Opponents often attack white Confederates as ignorant or racist. Winbush is harder to dismiss. If nothing else, the naysayers are more willing to listen.
"It kinda wipes out the whole segregation and hate and racism issue," said Christopher Hall, 29, commander of Winbush's SCV camp. "Coming from him, that really can't be an argument."
* * *
Winbush's views were once more widespread, even in the land of theme parks and turnpikes.
Florida was the third state to secede. Its Civil War governor, John Milton, shot himself rather than rejoin the North, telling the Legislature, "Death would be preferable to reunion." Former Gov. Lawton Chiles defended the Confederate flag in 1996 when black lawmakers asked for its removal from the Capitol.
"You can't erase history," Chiles said at the time.
But now neo-Confederates are losing this second war of culture and memory.
Confederate flags are coming down, especially from the tops of Southern statehouses, including Florida's in 2001.
The agrarian Bible Belt has become the Sun Belt, full of northerners with few deep roots in the area. Identification with the South as a region has declined since the World War II era, which united the country with patriotism and the interstate system. Areas of South Florida, for instance, are known better as the sixth borough of New York than part of the Deep South.
High school teachers don't preach the righteousness of the South. And historians, for the most part, agree that the Civil War was about slavery, undermining the standard neo-Confederate argument.
But Confederate loyalists are digging in. Winbush considers the South his homeland. And his family history, because it's rarer than that of white Confederates, is in danger of extinction.
* * *
Slowly, in his deep, rough voice, Winbush tells the story of a young slave from a Tennessee plantation named Louis Napoleon Nelson, who went to war as a teenager with the sons of his master.
"They grew up together," Winbush says.
At first his grandfather cooked and looked out for the others, but later he saw action, fighting with a rifle under the command of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, a slave trader and plantation owner.
At Shiloh, a two-day battle in 1862 in which more than 23,000 American men were killed or wounded, the Confederate Army needed a chaplain. Louis Nelson couldn't read or write, but he had memorized the King James Bible.
He stayed on as chaplain for the next four campaigns, leading services for both Confederate and Union soldiers, before they headed back to the battlefield.
He also foraged for food. One time, he killed a mule, cut out a quarter and hauled it back to his comrades.
"When you don't have anything else, mule meat tastes pretty good," he would tell his grandson.
Some topics even the loquacious grandfather considered off limits. He wouldn't talk about the Union siege of Vicksburg, a bloody battle that captured an important Mississippi River port and effectively split the South.
After the war, he lived as a free man on the James Oldham plantation for 12 more years. Then he became a plasterer, traveling the South to work on houses.
Over the years, he went to 39 Confederate reunions, wearing a woolly gray uniform that Winbush still has.In photos, he stands next to two white men who accompanied him to soldiers' reunions until they were old men. Through the sepia gleams a dignity earned on the battlefield.
"When he came back, that was storytelling time," Winbush says.
His grandfather died in 1934 at the age of 88. The local paper ran an obituary that called him a "darky." Winbush is proud that his grandfather's death was marked at all.
* * *
Winbush grew up in the house his grandfather built in 1908, a two-story yellow structure with a wraparound porch in Ripley, Tenn. The Oldham plantation, where his grandfather was a slave, provided the wood in recognition of his loyalty to the family.
Winbush and his siblings lived in a family of educators. His grandmother and mother were teachers. He says he first went to school as a baby in a basket.
All three children went to college. Winbush studied biology in hopes of becoming a doctor but didn't have enough money for medical school. He switched to studying physical education.
Winbush moved to Florida in 1955, a year after the U.S. Supreme Court's Brown vs. Board of Education decision mandated school desegregation. Like many around the country, Osceola County schools remained segregated for several more years.
He didn't mind the divide because he felt both black and white students got a better education by not being able to use racial conflict as an excuse. When the superintendent, a friend of his, decided it was time to integrate in the late 1960s, Winbush agreed. The time had come, he thought, when people could accept the change.
Winbush thinks that people will get along if they know each other. He says he never suffered any blatant racism. The small Southern towns he lived in were familiar and accepting.
He remembers the "I Have A Dream" speech that the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. He respects King but disagrees with his reverence for Lincoln.
Winbush wasn't moved by the speech. King was just speaking the truth, he says, but it didn't change the daily reality of blacks.
* * *
Winbush's convictions about the war lay dormant until 1991, when the NAACP began an all-out campaign against the Confederate flag, saying it was a symbol of hatred. It vowed to have it removed from public places by the end of the decade.
Winbush saw it differently, and he was retiring. He no longer worried about what some "Yankee boss" would think.
"I got fed up about all this politically correct mess," he says.
He joined the Sons and started speaking at their events. He twice appeared before the Virginia Legislature to dissuade them from taking down the flag. He collects clippings of newspaper stories written about his speeches. One shows him posing in front of a statute of Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Winbush acknowledges that misuse of the Confederate flag has made it a symbol of hate in some people's eyes. But he says the American flag is just as racist. Troops of color are sent to die disproportionately in American wars, he says, and the Stars and Stripes flew above slave ships.
Rivers, the NAACP official, said people like Winbush need to let go of their family history and admit that all people, even those now dead, are imperfect.
"Just because your grandfather was wrong does not mean you can't break the generational curse and not be wrong too," he says.
* * *
Winbush is the last direct link to his grandfather, someone who heard the stories firsthand and felt the passion.
He feels the legacy of Confederate soldiers like his grandfather won't survive unless the history is passed within families, from one generation to the next.
But it's not easy. Even Winbush's son, a Naval Academy graduate who works for IBM, once suggested Winbush donate his Confederate collection to a museum.
"This is the only way some people will find out what did happen," he said. "The history books leave it out."
Winbush knows he won't be around forever. He only hopes that someone will continue to tell the stories.
Times researchers Carolyn Edds and John Martin contributed to this report. Stephanie Garry can be reached at sgarry@sptimes.com.
free dixie,sw
face it, N-S, you are defending FILTH, liars, bigots,creeps & HYPOCRYTES (who a decent man would cross the street to keep from speaking to).
free dixie,sw
No, still waiting for you to provide a source saying Quantrill was born in New York City. Imaginary deacons don't count.
the FACTS are that without the SELF-righteous,SELF-serving, sanctimonious,elitist HYPOCRYTES of the new england area & NY, there would have been NO slavery.
further, there were MANY who were publicly "abolitionists", who were at the same time IN the slave trade. (fwiw, i despise a HYPOCRTYE & a "2-face" worse than even i despise a slaver.)
also, there were just about the SAME percentage of slave-OWNERS (5-6%)in the north as there ever was in dixie. neither side's hands were/are clean.
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fwiw, BOTH the SCV & UDC have attempted REPEATEDLY to sue these groups.
at every turn we have been stopped by the LIBERAL federal judges, who say that we descendants "have no standing" before the court on this issue.
free dixie,sw
by mid-'62 ALL the larger CSA military units were desegregated.
the CSMC was ALWAYS desegregated.
free dixie,sw
Don’t shoot at me. I am not fighting.
DECEIT,
HALF-truths,
"changing the subject",
"twisting the truth into a pretzel",
outright lies &
SELF-righteous myths.
truth is a stranger to you & to every other ARROGANT, sanctimonious, DAMNyankee.
free dixie,sw
"can you say Latin America & the Caribbean, children??" "SURE you CAN!!!"
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
NOTHING was beneath the ELITIST, DAMNyankee FILTH that bought,sold,transported,financed & (frequently at the SAME time condemned) "the peculiar institution".
face it, you are defending FILTH, BIGOTS & HYPOCRTYES.
free dixie,sw
there are more SEGREGATED schools in new england than there are in ALL of dixie, as i write these lines. perhaps, we should send you DAMNyankees some dixie "freedom riders" to help you desegregate YOUR schools.(we'll be PLEASED to "return the favor".)
further, as i've said before, when my Jewish business partner & i travel, it is in the NORTH, where people make HATE-filled/STUPID comments about her being Jewish. ( she always wears the Star of David on a chain around her neck.)
in all our travels,i've heard NOT one single such comment anywhere in dixie/the west.
free dixie,sw
what i DID say was that the Rector of St John's said that he was baptized there.
so once more, you are caught trying to DECEIVE the UNWARY, who are not as ignorant of the "uncomfortable facts" as you & your DAMNyankee ilk wish they were.
free dixie,sw
What I was also trying to say was that there was a lot of the infrastructure of slave trading built first in the Chesapeake, then in the Carolinas, and later in New Orleans and Mobile: wharfs, warehouses, holding pens, auction houses, banks, wagon transport. And there was a large workforce there to take the slaves off the ships, sell them, and send them to their new masters. It wasn't as though the hated Yanqui did all the work or got all the profits.
Also, this wasn't simply an American affair. British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, and others were involved. There's a caricature that the evil Yanqui, the enemy of humanity, was at the root of it all but that's hardly the case.
You seem to be implying that we didn't learn about New England's involvement in the slave trade in school. Look at any old textbook for the "triangular trade." It's in there. If you went to school over the past fifty years and took US history, you heard about it. The moral perspective wasn't made much of, but let's be honest: the same was true of slaveowning. Southern history benefited from the same kind of whitewashing as Northern.
Of course the slave trade was horrendous, but it looks like all you're doing is taking the odium of slavery and putting it on the slave traders in hopes that it somehow will wash away the horrors of Southern slavery. I suspect the common response will simply be "a plague on both your houses," but you seem to think that the evils of the slave trade somehow vindicate the slave owners.
I certainly would admit that many Northerners were hypocritical in not seeing how much a part of Northern history slavery and the slave trade had been. There ought to have been a recognition of shared guilt, rather than of Southern evil and Northern innocence. In that, perhaps, they simply inverted the Southern perception of good, paternalistic slave masters and evil abolitionists.
But there are two problems I see in your presentation. First, what about individualism? Is a person required to support something wrong because his or her parents or grandparents may have profited from it? Isn't each person the keeper of his or her own conscience?
Secondly, doesn't your perspective encourage slaveowners to do nothing about the system? If a slaveowner gets religion and supports abolition, he's somehow a "hypocrite." If he simply perpetuate the system, he avoids the dreaded sin of "hypocrisy," doesn't make moral claims for himself, and doesn't make others look bad. So the latter option is more honest, authentic, and modest. The former is just moral showboating. Something's very wrong with that calculus.
swattie, let your imaginary friend know about freerepublic.com so that she can back you up on this.
Otherwise, it's just another wild claim from the resident wild man.
BTW I congratulate you on your many FACTfilled posts.
I thought they were just so much opinionated BILGE until you set me straight.
Your innovative TYPOGRAPHY is also catching on.
I’m not implying anything.
You mused about did anyone have any real facts on which ports most “most” slaves came through.
I found that link....that is all.
My books don’t really say.
It would appear that the pre-revolutionary trade was mostly Northeast and VA and Charleston and Savannah and NOLA
between that and 1808, it would stand to reason as more northern states phased out and compensated slavery’s abolition in some northern states, that more of the traffic would have come into Southern ports but I could be wrong
but before that time, there is no doubt that the majority of slavers, slave ship owners and trading companies involved in it were north of Virginia.
I really don’t feel a need to wash anyone’s hands and never gave this crap much thought till i ran into my first neoabolitionist types on this forum 7 years ago.
Since then, I’ve decided to do my part to see the accusations meted out even handedly.
Some northerners were up to their eyeballs in slavery till it no longer suited them or it got too hot politically.
And nearly all northerners were racist same as southerners (as though I give a damn) but since you guys do. There.
What I will always find odd is how nasty yankees often were to blacks even though there hardly enough of them around to matter unlike down here.
Sorta like it still is today...lol
For someone in 1860, though, slavery was a live issue, and a lot of real choices with serious consequences were involved.
Most of this North-South back and forth today isn't really relevant to the choices someone would have had to make back then.
But to chatter away about Northern hypocrisy and moral equivalency at a time when slavery was a live issue would have been something altogether different.
Even in 1960 there would have been real problems with that kind of talk.
I really don’t feel a need to wash anyone’s hands and never gave this crap much thought till i ran into my first neoabolitionist types on this forum 7 years ago.
I'd have thought that we were all more or less "neoabolitionist." What's the alternative "neo-pro-slavery"?
fwiw, "my imaginary friend" IS a FReeper. and further, she is WELL-known to the members of the DC chapter.
our "adventure" in NYC has been commented on several times on various threads.
so, "mr know it all", the JOKE (as usual) is on YOU, dunce/bigot/FOOL.
don't you get tired of being thought "the resident retard" & "useful idiot" by most people, who read your NONSENSE???
PLEASE "stick around", as you are DAMAGING to the "cause" of the "radical unionist, nut-ball, HATE-filled, ignorant fringe" of FR's DAMNyankee "posters", with every piece of NONSENSE & arrogantly ignorant breath.
free dixie,sw
There were jewish policeman supporting the Nazi rule in the Warsaw Ghetto.
Someone should have told this family when you’re in a hole, stop digging.
face it, "x", you're a JOKE to everyone on FR who has an IQ greater than their belt size.
free dixie,sw
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