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In defense of his Confederate pride
St Petersburg Times ^ | October 7, 2007 | Stephanie Garry

Posted on 10/11/2007 2:41:12 PM PDT by Lorianne

Nelson Winbush is intent on defending the flag of his grandfather. It's just surprising which flag that is. ___

KISSIMMEE -- Nelson Winbush rotates a miniature flag holder he keeps on his mantel, imagining how the banners would appear in a Civil War battle.

The Stars and Bars, he explains, looked too much like the Union flag to prevent friendly fire. The Confederacy responded by fashioning the distinctive Southern Cross -- better known as the rebel flag.

Winbush, 78, is a retired assistant principal with a master's degree, a thoughtful man whose world view developed from listening to his grandfather's stories about serving the South in the "War Between the States."

His grandfather's casket was draped with a Confederate flag. His mother pounded out her Confederate heritage on a typewriter. He wears a rebel flag pinned to the collar of his polo shirt.

Winbush is also black.

"You've never seen nothing like me, have you?"

* * *

Winbush's nondescript white brick house near Kissimmee's quaint downtown is cluttered with the mess of a life spent hoarding history.

Under the glass of his coffee table lie family photos, all of smiling black people. On top sits Ebony magazine.

Winbush is retired and a widower who keeps a strict schedule of household chores, family visits and Confederate events. He often eats at Fat Boy's Barbecue, where his Sons of Confederate Veterans camp meets.

Winbush's words could come from the mouth of any white son of a Confederate veteran. They subscribe to a sort of religion about the war, a different version than mainstream America.

The tenets, repeated endlessly by loyalists:

The war was not about slavery. The South had the constitutional right to secede. Confederate soldiers were battling for their homes and their families. President Lincoln was a despot. Most importantly, the victors write the history.

But Winbush has a conceptual canyon to bridge: How can a black man defend a movement that sought to keep his people enslaved?

* * *

Winbush is one of at most a handful of black members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in the country. He knows skeptics question his story and his sanity.

To win them over, he pulls out his grandfather's pension papers, reunion photos and obituary. He also gives speeches, mostly before white audiences.

Winbush believes the South seceded because the federal government taxed it disproportionately. It was a matter of states' rights, not slavery, which was going extinct as the United States became more industrialized, he says. He denies that President Lincoln freed the slaves, explaining that the Emancipation Proclamation affected only the Confederate states, which were no longer under his authority.

"It was an exercise in rhetoric, that's all," Winbush says.

His views run counter to many historical accounts. Rev. Nelson B. Rivers III, the field operations chief for the NAACP, called Winbush's arguments illogical. Rivers spoke with Winbush by telephone a few years ago, intrigued by his position. Rivers remembers him being loud and sincere, holding fast to his convictions.

"I was courteous and respectful and respectfully disagreed with him," Rivers said. "This is America. He has a right to believe what he wants to."

At one speech, Winbush stood in front of the square battle flag that draped his grandfather's coffin, retelling the stories he has told so many times that the words emerge in identical iterations.

At the end of his talk, he held the microphone to a stereo and played a song by the Rebelaires, with a sorrowful, bluesy rhythm: "You may not believe me, but things was just that way. Black is nothing other than a darker shade of rebel gray."

Once other Confederates recognize that his story is real, they love him. Opponents often attack white Confederates as ignorant or racist. Winbush is harder to dismiss. If nothing else, the naysayers are more willing to listen.

"It kinda wipes out the whole segregation and hate and racism issue," said Christopher Hall, 29, commander of Winbush's SCV camp. "Coming from him, that really can't be an argument."

* * *

Winbush's views were once more widespread, even in the land of theme parks and turnpikes.

Florida was the third state to secede. Its Civil War governor, John Milton, shot himself rather than rejoin the North, telling the Legislature, "Death would be preferable to reunion." Former Gov. Lawton Chiles defended the Confederate flag in 1996 when black lawmakers asked for its removal from the Capitol.

"You can't erase history," Chiles said at the time.

But now neo-Confederates are losing this second war of culture and memory.

Confederate flags are coming down, especially from the tops of Southern statehouses, including Florida's in 2001.

The agrarian Bible Belt has become the Sun Belt, full of northerners with few deep roots in the area. Identification with the South as a region has declined since the World War II era, which united the country with patriotism and the interstate system. Areas of South Florida, for instance, are known better as the sixth borough of New York than part of the Deep South.

High school teachers don't preach the righteousness of the South. And historians, for the most part, agree that the Civil War was about slavery, undermining the standard neo-Confederate argument.

But Confederate loyalists are digging in. Winbush considers the South his homeland. And his family history, because it's rarer than that of white Confederates, is in danger of extinction.

* * *

Slowly, in his deep, rough voice, Winbush tells the story of a young slave from a Tennessee plantation named Louis Napoleon Nelson, who went to war as a teenager with the sons of his master.

"They grew up together," Winbush says.

At first his grandfather cooked and looked out for the others, but later he saw action, fighting with a rifle under the command of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, a slave trader and plantation owner.

At Shiloh, a two-day battle in 1862 in which more than 23,000 American men were killed or wounded, the Confederate Army needed a chaplain. Louis Nelson couldn't read or write, but he had memorized the King James Bible.

He stayed on as chaplain for the next four campaigns, leading services for both Confederate and Union soldiers, before they headed back to the battlefield.

He also foraged for food. One time, he killed a mule, cut out a quarter and hauled it back to his comrades.

"When you don't have anything else, mule meat tastes pretty good," he would tell his grandson.

Some topics even the loquacious grandfather considered off limits. He wouldn't talk about the Union siege of Vicksburg, a bloody battle that captured an important Mississippi River port and effectively split the South.

After the war, he lived as a free man on the James Oldham plantation for 12 more years. Then he became a plasterer, traveling the South to work on houses.

Over the years, he went to 39 Confederate reunions, wearing a woolly gray uniform that Winbush still has.In photos, he stands next to two white men who accompanied him to soldiers' reunions until they were old men. Through the sepia gleams a dignity earned on the battlefield.

"When he came back, that was storytelling time," Winbush says.

His grandfather died in 1934 at the age of 88. The local paper ran an obituary that called him a "darky." Winbush is proud that his grandfather's death was marked at all.

* * *

Winbush grew up in the house his grandfather built in 1908, a two-story yellow structure with a wraparound porch in Ripley, Tenn. The Oldham plantation, where his grandfather was a slave, provided the wood in recognition of his loyalty to the family.

Winbush and his siblings lived in a family of educators. His grandmother and mother were teachers. He says he first went to school as a baby in a basket.

All three children went to college. Winbush studied biology in hopes of becoming a doctor but didn't have enough money for medical school. He switched to studying physical education.

Winbush moved to Florida in 1955, a year after the U.S. Supreme Court's Brown vs. Board of Education decision mandated school desegregation. Like many around the country, Osceola County schools remained segregated for several more years.

He didn't mind the divide because he felt both black and white students got a better education by not being able to use racial conflict as an excuse. When the superintendent, a friend of his, decided it was time to integrate in the late 1960s, Winbush agreed. The time had come, he thought, when people could accept the change.

Winbush thinks that people will get along if they know each other. He says he never suffered any blatant racism. The small Southern towns he lived in were familiar and accepting.

He remembers the "I Have A Dream" speech that the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. He respects King but disagrees with his reverence for Lincoln.

Winbush wasn't moved by the speech. King was just speaking the truth, he says, but it didn't change the daily reality of blacks.

* * *

Winbush's convictions about the war lay dormant until 1991, when the NAACP began an all-out campaign against the Confederate flag, saying it was a symbol of hatred. It vowed to have it removed from public places by the end of the decade.

Winbush saw it differently, and he was retiring. He no longer worried about what some "Yankee boss" would think.

"I got fed up about all this politically correct mess," he says.

He joined the Sons and started speaking at their events. He twice appeared before the Virginia Legislature to dissuade them from taking down the flag. He collects clippings of newspaper stories written about his speeches. One shows him posing in front of a statute of Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Winbush acknowledges that misuse of the Confederate flag has made it a symbol of hate in some people's eyes. But he says the American flag is just as racist. Troops of color are sent to die disproportionately in American wars, he says, and the Stars and Stripes flew above slave ships.

Rivers, the NAACP official, said people like Winbush need to let go of their family history and admit that all people, even those now dead, are imperfect.

"Just because your grandfather was wrong does not mean you can't break the generational curse and not be wrong too," he says.

* * *

Winbush is the last direct link to his grandfather, someone who heard the stories firsthand and felt the passion.

He feels the legacy of Confederate soldiers like his grandfather won't survive unless the history is passed within families, from one generation to the next.

But it's not easy. Even Winbush's son, a Naval Academy graduate who works for IBM, once suggested Winbush donate his Confederate collection to a museum.

"This is the only way some people will find out what did happen," he said. "The history books leave it out."

Winbush knows he won't be around forever. He only hopes that someone will continue to tell the stories.

Times researchers Carolyn Edds and John Martin contributed to this report. Stephanie Garry can be reached at sgarry@sptimes.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackpatriot; dixie; history; nelsonwinbush; northernagression; scv; wbts
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Mississippi's still the blackest state in the union, isn't it? I have no doubt that many rural blacks moved north as industry expanded there. So did many poor southern whites. They were attracted to good paying jobs in the auto industry, or migrated west as in The Grapes of Wrath.

But there was no mass exodus after Reconstruction ended, and to this day the blackest states in the union are still in the old slave belt from Virginia down to Louisiana.

121 posted on 10/12/2007 11:02:58 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: antinomian
Freeper billbear gave you evidence that most of the increase in Illinios's black population was due to natural increase.

That was billbear's claim, yes. But if that is the true reason then why wasn't there a similar increase among the free black population in Southern states? Especially if, as you claim, laws restricting free blacks weren't enforced? Can you explain that for us? The free black population of Illinois goes up 40 percent, solely because they're unusually fertile or so you would have us believe. The free black population of Louisiana, 3 times the size of that in Illinois in 1850, increases 7 percent over the same period, about the same rate of growth as in Virginia and South Carolina. The free black population of Mississipi decreased, as did that of Arkansas. Weren't they busy making babies, too?

In the south cruelty and arbitrary laws and practices were somewhat ameliorated by the fact that southerners had to deal with actual people.

Hogwash. So far as your average Southerner was concerned blacks weren't people, they were property. An investment to be bought and sold at a whim. Their laws, in many ways far more cruel that anything in the North, were obviously there on purpose and were enforced.

Racism was, and to this day still is, more intense in the north.

Complete crap.

122 posted on 10/12/2007 11:03:01 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

So why didn’t Massachusetts and Connecticut issue an open invitation for all the freed blacks to come and live up there? Surely they were far enough away from the evil South to be untainted by racism.


123 posted on 10/12/2007 11:06:09 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: antinomian
It is sometimes forgotten that West Virginia was created as a slave state by the north during the war.

It is often ignored that the same Constitution freed all slaves over 21 immediately and mandated freedom for all others once they had reached that age. So West Virginia was admitted under a plan which doomed slavery. The confederacy was created under a constitution which promoted it.

124 posted on 10/12/2007 11:07:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The 13th amemdment protected slavery where it existed but did not guarantee it's expansion into the territories.

But the Kansas-Nebraska act did.

What more could the Union have done to protect slavery? The DS decision, the Fugitive Slave Act, the 13th amendment preventing federal interference. Slavery was not the cause of secession.
The tariff was destroying the south's international trade. Three quarters of American exports were agricultural products from the south.

125 posted on 10/12/2007 11:08:10 AM PDT by antinomian
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To: Non-Sequitur
Most blacks used by the confederate army were slaves and unpaid.

This was prohibited by general order 14. Blacks who served legally received received equal pay.

126 posted on 10/12/2007 11:10:24 AM PDT by antinomian
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To: Non-Sequitur
Did he? "...but I hold that, notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects-certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man."

Ha! Yeah except in order to excercise those rights they have to be deported to Africa.

127 posted on 10/12/2007 11:14:29 AM PDT by antinomian
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; NavyCanDo
On the other hand, the ancestors of the South Carolina secessionists were often Tories.

As a matter of fact, apart from Major Ferguson, their commander, all of the redcoat force at King's Mountain were loyalists from South Carolina and Georgia.

128 posted on 10/12/2007 11:15:39 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: antinomian
This was prohibited by general order 14. Blacks who served legally received received equal pay.

Which was passed in March of 1865. Quite timely, wasn't it?

Prior to that, blacks could not serve legally as anything but musicians until 1864, when a bill providing the conscription of blacks in a service role was passed. It should be noted that any slaves conscripted under the bill would be fed and clothed at the same level as free blacks would but that they would not be paid. Instead their owners would receive cash compensation. Link.

129 posted on 10/12/2007 11:30:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
As a matter of fact, apart from Major Ferguson, their commander, all of the redcoat force at King's Mountain were loyalists from South Carolina and Georgia.

That sums it up, the hotbed of secession was the hotbed of Toryism, That class of people never change, more loyal to their luxury and bank account than to their nation and countrymen. We've still got some individuals like that today, but only in 1860-61 did they had the opportunity and audacity to set up their own political engine of greed, the so-called Confederate States of America.

130 posted on 10/12/2007 11:32:10 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: antinomian
But the Kansas-Nebraska act did.

Actually it was Chief Justice Taney in his Dred Scott decision who ruled that slavery was permissible in any territory. The Kansas-Nebraska act allowed it only below the 40th parallel. And had the rebellion not intervened you could have counted on legal challenges to Dred Scott.

Slavery was not the cause of secession.

Yes it was, according to just about all the Southern leaders of the time.

The tariff was destroying the south's international trade. Three quarters of American exports were agricultural products from the south.

That's right, and they were doing very well, too. But tariffs are levied on imports, not exports. And the bulk of the imports were consumed by the North.

131 posted on 10/12/2007 11:35:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: antinomian
This was prohibited by general order 14. Blacks who served legally received received equal pay.

Passed three weeks before the end of the war. And the same general order also specified that slaves could be drafted into the confederate army, but that, despite their equal pay, they would not be freed.

132 posted on 10/12/2007 11:36:06 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: antinomian
Ha! Yeah except in order to excercise those rights they have to be deported to Africa.

Not at all. Lincoln supported voluntary emigration, and had done so for much of his adult life. So what? In that he was no different than thousands of other influental Americans. Thomas Jefferson, Robert Lee, James Madison, James Monroe, John Breckenridge all supported emigration. Jefferson Davis, on the other hand, wanted blacks right where they were. As property.

133 posted on 10/12/2007 11:38:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: antinomian
I was not talking about Virginians or patriots and tories in general. I was talking about the patriots at Kings Mountain, John Sevier's Overmountain Men and their opponents, the prosperous lowland South Carolina tories. The Kings Mountain patriots returned to the mountain homes and for the most part their sons and grandsons did not like domination by a rotten aristocracy any more than their fathers did, so naturally many overcame obstacles to fight and work against the new tyranny of Richmond.

Likewise, the same slavery dominated civilization that gave rise to widespread toryism would naturally embrace the ideal of new aristocracy of the "best men".

134 posted on 10/12/2007 11:41:32 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: puroresu
So why didn’t Massachusetts and Connecticut issue an open invitation for all the freed blacks to come and live up there? Surely they were far enough away from the evil South to be untainted by racism.

Why would they have to? It would be redundant.

135 posted on 10/12/2007 11:42:55 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Non-Sequitur
That's right, and they were doing very well, too. But tariffs are levied on imports, not exports. And the bulk of the imports were consumed by the North.

Learn some economics. Taxes on imports always become taxes on exports. When your trading partners retaliate some sectors of the economy can pass the cost along by raising prices and by squeezing workers - manufacturers for instance. Agricultural producers who sell commodities on the world market cannot pass the cost to anyone. So when the music stops the southern farmers were left paying the tariff. Raising the tariff back to tariff of abominations levels was in the republican party platform and raising the tariff was one of the first things they did when they got in office.

136 posted on 10/12/2007 11:46:24 AM PDT by antinomian
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

LMAO!!!! There was an open invitation to the freed slaves to come to Massachusetts and Connecticut so it would have been redundant to make it formal? Blacks sure didn’t take them up on the “offer” did they?

Exactly how many blacks are there in Vermont even to this day?


137 posted on 10/12/2007 11:47:42 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Lorianne

I have mixed emotions on this subject.

Slavery was inherently a great evil, something in conflict with everything the Declaration of Independence stood for.
This was a horror even the Founding Fathers recognized. One of the charges originally brought against King George III in an earlier version of the Declaration was the British slave trade. The only reason slavery didn’t end in 1776 was because of the Southern States. The only reason it didn’t die out was because of a Yankee inventor named Eli Whitney.

Yet the Declaration of Independence itself was an anomlay for its time, a first single step from “subject” to “citizen”.

Was Secession itself unconstitutional and the Southern leaders traitors? Not under any version of the Constitution I have ever read.

But suppose the South HAD won the Civil War? What would have been the result? An eventual massive slave revolt with consequences mirroring what happened in Haiti? An eventual economic slide into a totally agrarian backwater and eventual degeneration into a clone of modern day South Africa? Where would we have been in 1940 facing Hitler or in 1946 facing the Stalinists in a “Cold War” if we were two separate nations?

But the loss of so very many young American lives, on both sides, frequently in such unspeakable suffering, is most regretable.

A really challenging subject for the historical moralist.


138 posted on 10/12/2007 11:53:16 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: antinomian
Learn some economics. Taxes on imports always become taxes on exports.

I'm actually pretty conversant in economics, enough to know better than apply 21st century economics to 19th century situations. In 1860 there were no tariffs on imported cotton in Britain. As a commodity that they didn't produce and which their domestic industries relied on it would have been counterproductive. Your claim that the southern cotton producers were left paying the tariff is not supported by any evidence I've seen. Other than Southron fairy tales, that is.

Raising the tariff back to tariff of abominations levels was in the republican party platform and raising the tariff was one of the first things they did when they got in office.

Something that was possible only because all the Southern senators were off revolting. Had they been in office, the Morrel Tariff would not have passed.

139 posted on 10/12/2007 11:54:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: puroresu
I think a state that selected Charles Sumner to the Senate, with his well known strong views on slavery and equality, could not help but be thought of as more accommodating to free blacks than any of the slave states.

Exactly how many blacks are there in Vermont even to this day?

I'd say a pretty good reason for the low number is the fact that Vermont had no slave population to start with.

140 posted on 10/12/2007 11:57:22 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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