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Police: Columbia Won't Turn Over (Noose) Video
AP via SFGate ^ | 10/11/7 | TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 10/11/2007 10:57:59 AM PDT by SmithL

NEW YORK, (AP) -- Columbia University has refused to turn over security videotape that could help identify who hung a noose on a black professor's office door, police said Thursday.

Investigators began asking on Wednesday for tapes from cameras in the building, but have been rebuffed by administrators, said Paul Browne, the New York Police Department's top spokesman.

He said police will have to get a court order to force the school to provide video they believe could crack the case.

"It's unfortunate because it adds a time-consuming step to the investigation," Browne said.

A Columbia spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.

Authorities were testing the 4-foot-long twine noose for DNA evidence, but had no suspects as of Thursday morning.

On Wednesday, the professor who was the target of the attack, Madonna Constantine, told hundreds of faculty and students at a rally on the Ivy League campus that the incident was a "blatant act of racism" that "reeks of cowardice and fear."

"I'm upset that our community has been exposed to such an unbelievably vile incident," she said.

Police believe the noose was placed on the doorknob of Constantine's office at Teachers College — Columbia's graduate school of education — Tuesday morning, when a colleague spotted it and notified authorities.

Police declined to discuss possible motives or suspects.

Constantine, 44, told police there was "ill will" between her and another professor who had replaced her while she was on an extended leave, a police official said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: boycriedwolf; columbia; columbiau; columbiauniversity; fakehatecrimes; madonnaconstantine; noose; phonyhatecrime; zogbyism
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To: SmithL

They can’t get any mileage out of this “hate crime” if it was a black student OR it was a professor!


41 posted on 10/11/2007 11:39:33 AM PDT by traditional1 ( Fred Thompson-The ONLY electable Republican Candidate)
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To: don'tbedenied

As a public school, can you submit a freedom of information request?


42 posted on 10/11/2007 11:40:06 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Phantom Lord

I won’t bet against you.


43 posted on 10/11/2007 11:41:15 AM PDT by SmithL (I don't do Barf Alerts, you're old enough to read and decide for yourself)
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To: SmithL

2 Words... “Tawana Brawley”
And when they actually prove out that she hung the noose there herself, the argument will change to “ it was a political statement” to bring attention racist white people, so it doesn’t matter who put it there, racism is the larger issue that must be addressed.

Liberal Press will gladly accept this and drop the matter ~ ...move on


44 posted on 10/11/2007 11:41:32 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Contrarianism is Creativity for the Untalented)
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To: Ingtar
I tend to agree. Just because the police want something doesn’t mean they don’t have to go through the proper legal channels to get it.

Not to mention, who knows what would happen in the crazy sue-happy country if they did turn it over without a warrant.

45 posted on 10/11/2007 11:41:57 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: MoMagic; SteveMcKing
Dollars to doughnuts, the tape probably shows the “offended” perfesser tying the hang rope himself.

Adding to the possibility that she is the one doing it is the line:

Constantine, 44, told police there was "ill will" between her and another professor who had replaced her while she was on an extended leave, a police official said.

My intuition: She was on extended leave. The brought in a temporary replacement, but the temp was much better that she was. So she was getting pushed out the door. She invented the nooze as to be "untouchable" by the admin staff. They wouldn't be able to fire the women who had a nooze put on her door. Obviously she forgot about security tapes, and the school doesn't want to embarrass themselves further.

46 posted on 10/11/2007 11:43:50 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: SmithL

Does anybody think this wasn’t a put-up job done by the “victim”?


47 posted on 10/11/2007 11:44:04 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: A Texan; Ingtar
I am not an attorney and don't play one on the internet, and unfortunately I slept on my couch last night.

But aren't warrants needed when attempting to find or obtain a piece of evidence from a defendant/suspect, etc... not from the complaining/prosecuting party?

48 posted on 10/11/2007 11:45:09 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: MoMagic

Why else refuse to turn it over?


49 posted on 10/11/2007 11:45:22 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: MoMagic

I said the same as soon as I heard this.


50 posted on 10/11/2007 11:46:19 AM PDT by lakeman
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To: SmithL

Tawana Brawley did it!


51 posted on 10/11/2007 11:47:40 AM PDT by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: Phantom Lord
"With the Jena 6 being in the news and not being taken seriously enough by the white populace I was only attempting to raise awareness." --Guilty Prof.

You're good.

52 posted on 10/11/2007 11:47:43 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: gridlock; SmithL

You can be sure if it was a repubilican that put it there, they could not get it to the police quick enough!


53 posted on 10/11/2007 11:48:14 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to do the right thing! Press Forward Mitt!)
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To: Ditto
"Huh? Columbia is not be investigated and they have absolutely no legitimate reason for not promptly turning over evidence that could help solve a "crime" in which they are the complainant and not the perpetrator."

You know, some people expect some sort of protection from an organization they belong to. Beyond all that, I'm sure there is some sort of legal issue here that Columbia is trying to protect itself from. If seizure of this tape isn't warrant worthy, and Columbia serves it up anyways, I'm sure some lawyer can talk their way into some money.
54 posted on 10/11/2007 11:48:28 AM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: A Texan; Ingtar

I sense some confusion causing a difference of opinion.

It is legal for Columbia University to require the police to get a search warrant before turning over CU property.

But since CU is not the criminal, but is the aggreived party, it makes no sense for them to force the police to GET a search warrant. CU had a legal right to hand over the tapes, and didn’t need a search warrant to protect themselves.

If I was shot, and the police asked for the bullet so they could investigate, why would I ask them to get a search warrant first? Sure, I could, but it makes no sense.


55 posted on 10/11/2007 11:52:29 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SmithL
In reading about this situation at Columbia, a part of me wants to say: "Hey, its' all about free speech" even though the person(s) who put the noose on the door did not have the b*lls to stand around and declare that. The part of me that says that understands the power of the noose as a racist symbol - but that same power (reaction) is what I felt when Columbia said it was "free speech" when they brought the Moosehead from Iran here and gave him a platform. Hanging a noose on a door is not against the law but I don't condone it. Likewise, inviting ding-a-ling here wasn't against the law but shouldn't have been condoned either.


For me, this would be the the most analogous visceral reaction I could come up with to describe to a Lib why Columbia screwed up with the invite and it was wrong to me.

56 posted on 10/11/2007 11:54:35 AM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: SmithL
They must know it's another Tawana Brawley moment and are covering their asses.
57 posted on 10/11/2007 11:55:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SmithL

A Tawana Brawley with an advanced degree is my guess.


58 posted on 10/11/2007 12:00:39 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Beat me to it. Hopefully the cops force Columbia to give up the goods. ...and that the tape is in fact the real deal.


59 posted on 10/11/2007 12:02:41 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: A Texan

“Not to mention, who knows what would happen in the crazy sue-happy country if they did turn it over without a warrant.”

Right! When I read that they were not turning over the tape, I felt that they were doing it to force the police to get a warrant. At least as far as releasing the tape is concerned, this might protect them from any legal action brought by the party or parties involved. As far as other lawsuits, who knows.


60 posted on 10/11/2007 12:03:46 PM PDT by Mila
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