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To: Red Badger
She could have added that a person can still be a Jew and a Christian..........

Do you really believe that? In my experience when a Jew embraces Christianity the only people who continue to respect their Jewishness are Christians and other Jews who embraced Christianity.

I maintain for all practical purposes there is NOTHING she could have said to keep from provoking Talmudic Jews without actually denying her faith.

72 posted on 10/11/2007 11:14:51 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Do you really believe that? In my experience when a Jew embraces Christianity the only people who continue to respect their Jewishness are Christians and other Jews who embraced Christianity

Yes, I really believe that. And yes, you are correct that other Jews sometimes do not recognize the converts Jewishness. But that is the other Jews' problem, not the converts' problem. You are a Jew in the heart and that's what's important to God. Sure, there will be conflicts within the Jewish community over the convert's Jewishness, but when has this not been so? It will always be so until Jesus' return proves to them otherwise............

84 posted on 10/11/2007 11:22:15 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: papertyger

“Talmudic Jews”

What’s a “Talmudic Jew?”


359 posted on 10/11/2007 3:14:48 PM PDT by dervish (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: papertyger; Red Badger

She could have added that a person can still be a Jew and a Christian..........

Do you really believe that? In my experience when a Jew embraces Christianity the only people who continue to respect their Jewishness are Christians and other Jews who embraced Christianity.


To be a Christian Jew is essentially to be the ultimate "white Uncle Tom."

I've been one for almost forty years, and I can assure you that while my relatives don't consider me Jewish, a certain little scumbag housepainter would have, a half century ago, halfway across the world.

It's really odd the way that a person's "Jewish ethnicity" will be "respected" should said person become a Hindu, or a Buddhist, or even an athiest -- but, if said person becomes (*gasp*) a Christian, well, all bets are off, and don't even think about applying for "aliya" ("The Law of Return.") They've gladly accepted NON-ethnic, NON-"religious" Russian "Jews" into Israel (people who blatantly gamed the system to get out of the socialist worker's utopia) -- who now live in Israel, in their own "subculture" (essentially "Little Russia", complete with butchershops selling pork sausage and so forth). But, if you answer "Yes" when asked if you are a Christian, well, sorry, Charlie.

At the same time, there is no shortage of "good, church-going folk" who will look down their nose at you (when being polite) and "say things behind your back" that they think you'll never hear.

If nothing else, it's a great test of the measure and scope of one's faith and committment to his beliefs.

The old joke is that the Chief Rabbis were arguing over who should be considered to be a Jew (for purposes of admission to Israel), and the argument was settled when one of them said that "Anyone crazy enough to want to be a Jew is Jewish!"

Well, unless he's a Christian.

So, I guess any Jew who's crazy enough to want to be a Christian is a Christian -- but he's not a Jew anymore (except to the antisemites, who show a remarkable embrace of diversity when making such distinctions /sarc).

All that said, I do consider myself a Jew, just as any target who's been called an "Uncle Tom" realizes that he's black.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words cannot steal my ethnicity.

PS: With respect to the word "perfected", maybe that's a term in current vogue. Way Back When, the popular term was "completed". When used, it was done so entirely void of animus. To explain the rationale behind the use of the word would require a short treatise on the theology behind it, which I've neither the time nor inclination to write (nor would it be on topic).

782 posted on 10/12/2007 9:26:16 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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