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To: Enterprise
"people arrested abroad should have access to their home country's consular officials." This is disenginuous. AFAIK, the "suspect" was never prevented from contacting Mexican officials. Mexico claims they should have been automatically notified. Does anyone on earth not know enough to contact their embassy if they get in trouble in a foreign country?
19 posted on 10/11/2007 10:38:57 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: Ford4000
I’ll frame it like this. If this guy were in Mexico and got hit by a car he wouldn’t be treated by their medical system unless he had cash. If he were thrown in jail there for having a joint they would not have provided him with much, if any, legal assistance. I am going to make a guess here that had he contacted the Mexican Consulate when he was initially arrested they would have told him to get lost, and that’s assuming again that they would have even bothered to respond.
21 posted on 10/11/2007 10:51:25 AM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Ford4000

“Does anyone on earth not know enough to contact their embassy if they get in trouble in a foreign country?”

I think this is a case of Juris Ignorantia Est Cum Nostrum Ignoramus, which is Latin and translates into English as roughly ..it is an ignorance of the law when we are unfamiliar with our own rights...

In this case the Mexicans were afforded every right under the American judicial system...I dont believe that our country is responsible in this case of illegally present foreign nationals..

The consulates/embassies help their own foreign nationals when the visitor is here legally with travel visas etc and when they have proper ID, passport issued by that country, etc...

An illegal alien usually doesnt use their own name, doesnt have ID, passport, other legal documents, travel or student visa, etc...

I dont know just how much right the Mexicans really have to go to their own consulate and to expect their own country’s consulate to help them (remember the help might be the extension of unrefundable money for a ticket home, housing, hospital, doctors, bail money, etc)

The consulate is honor-bound to protect and serve their own subjects if the visitor is in a foreign country legally with that country’s blessing, but if the “visitor” is there illegally?

When our country issues an American passport, it is with the understanding that the receptiant is eligible to use it and is free to travel aboard and with the American government’s blessing OK etc...We are expected to act decently and lawefully while in another country and have the proper documents (any necessary visas etc) and only stay as long as we are lawfully allowed to...When you fill out your documents on the plane, there is a requirement to list any hotel reservations and prove you have returning plane tickets... or before you embark at a foreign port while on a cruise, that you understand when the ship will be leaving again...woe betide the passenger who misses the ship...consulates do not like that...

I think that under the circumstance that the 50 Mexicans were not here legally with either country issuing a PRIOR document of some type of permission to enter...that none of the convicted illegal aliens have any standing before the SCOTUS, nor the International Court...

Surely illegal entrance into a country is frowned upon by the courts in every land, and since Mexico has gone to the International Court, the IC will require that Mexican imnmigration law be researched for legal advise...

Well, I do think that is only fair....


24 posted on 10/11/2007 11:22:48 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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