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6 friends killed at party in Crandon (WI) - 1 hurt; hours later, SWAT team kills shooter
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 10/7/07 | RAQUEL RUTLEDGE

Posted on 10/07/2007 10:23:40 AM PDT by janetjanet998

Edited on 10/07/2007 10:34:41 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: LibertyRocks

Let’s hope. I forget which one but I was reading that one of our neighbors across the pond went this route. Scary.


361 posted on 10/07/2007 9:53:57 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
Some reports say a second officer was there. He might not have been armed though.

Could be. Most cops are always armed, on or off duty, but that might not be true of a young dude going to a party of his peers. OTOH, I'd think it would be. Especially if, as reported, he was dating the ex of another officer, who he probably knew was wrapped a little too tight, even if, as seems likely, he didn't know just how tight.

All in all, a smell of a hess.

362 posted on 10/07/2007 9:54:06 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
"The buggar's dead."

Take his badge, Jim.

363 posted on 10/07/2007 9:54:52 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: El Gato

totally wrong guess-timate by me
BUT
maybe tomorrow we find some drug involvement


364 posted on 10/07/2007 9:55:42 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: El Gato

News conferance at this link,

http://www.myfoxnewisconsin.com/myfox/


365 posted on 10/07/2007 10:03:51 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

and here,

http://www.myfoxnewisconsin.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4571098&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1


366 posted on 10/07/2007 10:05:17 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: CindyDawg

Yep, I think it was England, IIRC right now... (Kinda tired here... LOL). No guns allowed even for the police. VERY scary if you ask me...


367 posted on 10/07/2007 10:06:31 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com -- I'm with Fred!!!)
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To: El Gato
OP for the modern Demoncrat. Wasn't always so.

I don't buy it for a minute; my bet is it was just posturing. What do you bet his vote was on The Arms Control and Disarmament Act (PL 87-297) passed by voice vote in 1961?

368 posted on 10/07/2007 11:27:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: org.whodat

Did you miss the /s> ?


369 posted on 10/07/2007 11:39:02 PM PDT by fella (The proper application of the truth far more important than the knowledge of it's existance."Ike")
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To: Carry_Okie

Wow! You picked up on that one. The Act was the first eye opener on what really is going on regarding the UN/Socialist takeover of our Republic. And Humphrey did have his hands in it. It’s still being kicked around IIRC.


370 posted on 10/07/2007 11:43:16 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: LibertyRocks

“”Yep, I think it was England, IIRC right now... (Kinda tired here... LOL). No guns allowed even for the police. VERY scary if you ask me...””

Nah I live here. It’s not scary at all. We don’t have the gun crime rate and gun murder rate that America has (thankfully). Brits have never known the average policeman on the street to have guns so what you’ve never had you never miss.

I’m perfectly happy with the status quo. I’ve never encountered anybody with a gun and I don’t know anybody who has encountered anybody with a gun.

It’s just not a big problem here. Sure, gun murders do happen but it’s an infinately small ratio compared to the U.S.A.

The average copper on the street, unless in certain areas, have no need to carry guns in England.

We do have SWAT like teams and other branches of the police that carry guns though but not your average bobby.

You think policeman not carrying guns in England is scary? Fair enough. Conversely I think the gun murder rate in the U.S.A is scary. Incidents like this latest one are all too common in America. Very very scary.


371 posted on 10/08/2007 12:17:46 AM PDT by Mangani
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To: Mangani

Honestly, it’s NOT as common as it would seem. You have to consider the numbers... The population of the entire United States is enormously larger than that of England. Also, IIRC aren’t your knife murder rates rather high now? I remember the legislature considering banning knives in England, much to the chagrin of butchers and chefs...

England also does not have some of the same social problems that we deal with in the U.S.. Granted, there are some immigrants, but it’s not like what we deal with here in the U.S. coming into the country from Mexico (i.e. Drug dealers and gang members). Also, we deal with gang violence in our cities and it’s almost WORSE in those cities that HAVE gun control laws... (i.e. Chicago, Denver, etc...). I never heard a gun shot on a street until I lived in West Denver — and then it was almost nightly... (I lived in a low-income, mostly Mexican area of the city that had HUGE problems with illegal immigration, drugs, crime, and gangs...). I NEVER encountered any of that outside some parts of the cities I lived near.

The media makes it sound like these things happen ALL the time — which it doesn’t. You also have to consider how many law-abiding citizens own guns in our country that NEVER make the news, or are able to protect themselves from those who mean to do them harm (Those stories almost NEVER make the news and happen a LOT more than things like the one today...).

Anyway... I’m glad to know you at least have S.W.A.T. teams when needed — especially in light of the terrorist events there... I just worry that someday you all might come across a situation where a S.W.A.T. might be too late, and an armed bobby could’ve prevented a massacre...


372 posted on 10/08/2007 12:29:27 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com -- I'm with Fred!!!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you for updating the Original post. :)


373 posted on 10/08/2007 12:31:53 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com -- I'm with Fred!!!)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Right. We need to look especially hard at 20 year olds with no prior military experience. Most 20 year olds I know are not emotionally mature enough to handle domestic dispute situations, especially when it involves them personally.


374 posted on 10/08/2007 1:08:40 AM PDT by Rocketwolf68 (Bring back the crusades)
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To: null and void

Wunnerful! Okay on Nigeria, I’ll need your account number and password.


375 posted on 10/08/2007 3:09:15 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: janetjanet998

SSRI’s and/or anabolic steroids?

Coroner’s report might be interesting.


376 posted on 10/08/2007 4:26:22 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: endthematrix
The Act was the first eye opener on what really is going on regarding the UN/Socialist takeover of our Republic.

If you'd like two articles that give you a feel for how long liberty has been under attack try these:

Skinning Cats Legal Means to Disarm the Second Amendment

Kelo and the 14th Amendment Exploring a Constitutional Koan

377 posted on 10/08/2007 5:45:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: janetjanet998

Has it been posted yet, I haven’t seen it, whether this LEO perp was using an officially issued firearm or one of his own?

That will I’m sure change legal issues as they unfold.


378 posted on 10/08/2007 5:50:53 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: George W. Bush
Good call. Poorly reported is how many of these young shooters were or are on some kind of mood altering medication. Many starting as young as 4 or 5 and taking quite a long time until the ticking time bomb finally goes off.

Officials are very tight lipped right now. I sense some major butt covering going on right now.

Expect new developments regarding this story. All is not as it seems.

379 posted on 10/08/2007 5:51:03 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: VRing
Don’t worry, He’ll be gently taken into custody

You have yet to make an intelligent, insightful or sane comment on this forum. You are batting .000.

380 posted on 10/08/2007 6:23:05 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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