Israel may have tricked Syria radars to hide raid

Herald Sun (Aus) ^ | October 06, 2007 12:38pm | From correspondents in Washington

[Perdogg]

ISRAELI fighter planes may have managed to escape detection by Syrian radars during their September 6 raid by forcing the detection system to make a mistake, Aviation Week magazine reported.

[Loud Mime]

So, they developed an electronic fifth-columnist?

Kinky!!

[n230099]

The Syrians sure have been quiet. I suspect three things:

1) Downright embarrassment.

2) They were up to no good.

3) They're not about to try to get the sympathy of the [insert Kofi voice here] "international community".

[RichInOC]

Oh, those devious Jews. What will they think of next?

:-D )))

Seriously, state-of-the-art bang-bang. Well done.

[lexington minuteman 1775]

I bet they got that guy from “ NUMBERS” TV show to put fake algorithms into the Syrian detection device, thus thwarting them “seeing” the incoming.
Freegards,
Lex

[Don Corleone]

Still using a lot of Soviet surplus I would guess.

[LibLieSlayer]

No, they have the latest Soviet technology... same junk the rooskies sold Tehran.

LLS

[shield]

ping

[jwparkerjr]

Remember when a defector flew a state-of-the art MIG to Turkey or someplace the USSR and we got to examine it very carefully? Everyone one in the intelligence community was convinced this was THE warplane of the its day. There was constant concern over how well our newest of the time would stand up against it in battle. Turns out, much to everyone’s surprise, the electronics on board were still vacuum tube, not a solid-state device to be found. The skeptics who wanted us to negotiate with the Soviets tried to tell us the lack of solid-state avionics was on purpose, to make the aircraft less susceptible to EMI that would come come nuclear war. BS. The US leads the world in military equipment and manpower.

Seems like every time we come up against a highly touted army, air force or navy it turns out to be a rout.

The Syrians, and the Iranians for that matter, have purchased a pig in a poke by buying their entire defense system from the Russians.

I know it’s folly to underestimate an enemy, but we’re good and we need to remember that!

[Dark Knight]

This may be more than a decade old, but didn’t some air force try to get into it with planes that needed to close to three miles to have a chance with our planes that took them out at twelve.

DK

[NonValueAdded]

I can picture a bunch of ay-rabs picking over the rubble of their air defense site, pulling out a module with “made in Israel” stamped on the id plate ... “Achmed, you blithering idiot, you sleep with the goats tonight.”

[Perdogg]

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4647

[Ronin]

I think you are talking about Victor Belenko’s defection in a MiG 25 to Japan back in the 1970s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-25

[em2vn]

“The US leads the world in military equipment and manpower.” Neither assertion is correct.

[ASOC]

Captain Alexander Zuyev flew his MiG-29 to Trabzon, Turkey on May 20, 1989.

In 1976, a pilot with his MIG-25 defected to Japan.

Viktor Belenko was the pilot. Belenko was granted asylum by then US President Gerald Ford, and a trust fund was set up for him, granting him a very comfortable living in later years. The US interrogated and debriefed him for 5 months after his defection, and employed him as a consultant for several years thereafter.

The MiG was disassembled, examined, and returned to the USSR in thirty crates. Belenko brought with him the pilot’s manual for the Foxbat, expecting to assist American pilots in evaluating and testing the aircraft. However, the Japanese government only allowed the US to examine the plane and do ground tests of the radar and engines.

[Tallguy]

Seems like every time we come up against a highly touted army, air force or navy it turns out to be a rout.

I would argue that the 'routs' are much more due to the fact that the US & certain other Westernized nations have more realistic training. We could probably swap equipment with our opponents & the outcome would be the same. Just look at how well the Israelis have done historically. Until the 70's you could argue that their equipment was on balance inferior to that of their opponents. Yet look at the spankings they gave to their Arab opponents in '56 & '67.

[lonevoice]

From the article posted in the link:

The technology allows users to invade communications networks, see what enemy sensors see and even take over as systems administrator to manipulate sensors into positions to hide an approaching aircraft, the report said.

[Signalman]

How Israel spoofed Syria

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/10/how-israel-spoo.html

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[NVDave]

I would offer a fourth option:

4. They’re gob-smacked that the promised performance of the Russian Strelets anti-aircraft systems turned out to be *wildly* over-stated.

Think about it for a moment: the Syrians have been buying modern Russian systems (Strelets AA systems), as have the Persians, and spending upwards of a billion bucks between the two of them on these systems.

If these systems were installed and active, the success of Israel’s AF on this raid means that they have learned of, or created a way, to bypass these modern Russian AA systems.

And if Israel knows how to do this... then so do we.

The Syrians are being quiet, because they’re in a very difficult position:

a) say nothing, and let the west ponder and postulate about how Israel conducted the raid with the Strelets systems being in place...

b) complain about the attack (thereby confirming it) and invite questions and analysis.

My bet is that they’re hoping that this receives scant attention in the media. Because the more attention it receives, the more vulnerable they look, and, the more vulnerable Iran looks. Iran has been buying a snootful of these Strelets systems with the idea that they could make a US or Israeli attack on Iran very costly.

The success of Israel’s raid on Syria makes Iran’s chest-pounding about their AA defenses look silly.