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What Ron Paul is (and what he isn't)
Westernstandard ^ | 10-3-07

Posted on 10/05/2007 8:55:02 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: Badeye
>>>>>>Dennis Miller on Ron Paul

Dennis Miller is still alive? Really?

41 posted on 10/05/2007 9:40:29 PM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: the808bass
What data do you have to suggest this is the case? You do realize that Islamofascism wants to kill people, right? Subjugating groups of people who are not the same religion as you is far worse than raising taxes and implementing universal healthcare. To be clear, I'm not in favor of raising taxes or universal healthcare, but I don't fear taxes or universal healthcare.

What information do you have that tells us anything concrete about the "long-run" of Islamofascism that you can make so confident a statement?

Socialism and communism have killed millions of people and hindered the lives of billions in the last 100 years. Islamofascism hasn't even come close to the impact of socialism/communism. Sure, two huge buildings coming down are pretty dramatic but by no means would destroy the US. Push comes to shove we could blow up the entire middle east if we felt it necessary and not worry about it. The creeping socialism in the US at this point is almost impossible to stop and at some point will break this country.

42 posted on 10/06/2007 5:34:39 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
"...than to find one worth voting for."

The political season is way to early. It is over 13 months left, and already, people are flocking to one cadidate or another.

My biggest gripe is fawning idiots spamming Freerepublic with threads honoring an anti-war kook more in tune with Al Qaeda than with the near unanimous views of the Freerepublic community which shows it's support for our troops and mission in Iraq.

Ron Paul is the candidate of movon.org, not Freerepublic.

43 posted on 10/06/2007 9:05:50 AM PDT by lormand ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: rb22982
Socialism and communism have killed millions of people and hindered the lives of billions in the last 100 years. Islamofascism hasn't even come close to the impact of socialism/communism. Sure, two huge buildings coming down are pretty dramatic but by no means would destroy the US. Push comes to shove we could blow up the entire middle east if we felt it necessary and not worry about it. The creeping socialism in the US at this point is almost impossible to stop and at some point will break this country.

Islamic facism is not limited in its scope to 9/11. Its impact is already well entrenched in much of the Middle East and Persia, not to mention some parts of Africa and the Far East. Its effects are only starting to be felt in Europe (Mohammed (and variants) was the #2 name in the UK last year. I believe it's #1 in Belgium.). IOW, 9/11 is not the definition of Islamofacism. It's only a symptom. If you talk to the people of the Sudan or Christians in Iran, you might have a different opinion of the effects of communism (a different manifestation of socialism, which you freely interchanged) vs. Islamofacism.

44 posted on 10/06/2007 9:28:44 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: lormand

“My biggest gripe is fawning idiots spamming Freerepublic with threads honoring an anti-war kook more in tune with Al Qaeda than with the near unanimous views of the Freerepublic community which shows it’s support for our troops and mission in Iraq.”

“Ron Paul is the candidate of movon.org, not Freerepublic.”

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As I said, he was hopeless from the start, and thus the great antipathy of most FR stalwarts is a bit puzzling, but also puzzling is the serious mislabeling of his position. My sense of the “Moveon” crowd is that they secretly (or even not-so-secretly) hope for an al Qaeda victory to vindicate their Bush-phobic mindset, where-as Paul’s position is a disagreement over the appropriateness and prudence of defeating al Qaeda in the way “most FR types” seem to prefer.

“The political season is way to early. It is over 13 months left, and already, people are flocking to one cadidate or another.”

Indeed, and the struggle with the “khalifate revivalist” strain of Islam which is so fundamental to the ideology of al Qaeda is in its early decades, and not going very well in Europe. Have you noticed?

We are in a marathon, not a sprint, and the need to take a measured view of the struggle, and husband our resources accordingly seems obvious to many observers, who wonder how long it will be before the US fiscal situation makes these global military operations in 100 countries and maintenance of a baker’s dozen of nuclear carrier task forces impossible to maintain, as ‘entitlement spending’ is projected to push the Federal budget bite out of the annual GDP from 20+% to over 40% during the next few decades.

I will be interested to see if any of the ‘plausibly electable’ candidates have as much useful insights to offer concerning these considerations as the politically hopeless Paul. So far, the field doesn’t look very promising but, as you say, the election is over a year away.

In the meantime, you might want to check out this article in the issue of Barrons on sale this weekend:

Monday, October 8, 2007

Slimming Entitlement Costs
By PETER J. FERRARA

FEDERAL SPENDING HAS HOVERED around 20% of gross domestic product for more than 50 years now, ever since it settled down after World War II. Despite all the battles over taxes and spending in that time, the federal share of our economy has remained fairly stable.

That will change quite dramatically without fundamental reform of our nation’s entitlement programs. The latest long-term projections of the Congressional Budget Office estimate that federal spending will soar, reaching close to 40% of GDP over the next 40 years, primarily owing to exploding costs for Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare. Add in costs for state and local government, and total government spending in America will be well over 50% of GDP.

If anything even close to this happens, the fundamental nature of our economy and our government will have changed. Our capitalist free-market system, the source of America’s historic prosperity, will constitute less than half of our economy. Something like Swedish-style socialism will dominate.

etc. etc.


45 posted on 10/06/2007 12:42:54 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: SJackson
Ron Paul’s campaign for the Presidency now presents a serious challenge to those who love liberty and seek its preservation against the Islamist assault on our civilization.

Don't deny the man his rightful constituency.

46 posted on 10/07/2007 11:34:40 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: gunnedah

‘So who has the answers?’

Thats still up in the air. What isn’t is Ron Paul, and Democrats in general, would like to pretend that Islamofacism is a ‘fad’ that will pass with ‘time’.

It isn’t, and it won’t.


47 posted on 10/08/2007 5:33:23 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: B4Ranch

‘> the single most important issue we face as a nation today is Islamofacism.<

Bush is a bigger supporter of Islam than most folks want to admit.’

Supporting freedom of religion is why they want us dead, remember?

Islam isn’t confused with Islamofacism by the intelligent and informed.


48 posted on 10/08/2007 5:37:46 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: rb22982

‘Nope, huge rampant socialism is far more serious a problem at this point than Islamofacism in the long run.’

You can’t debate domestic policy if you are dead.


49 posted on 10/08/2007 5:46:30 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Thorin

Yep....unlike Ron Paul, that looks like a walking cadaver.


50 posted on 10/08/2007 5:48:18 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
I am equally as disturbed by the flood of spending and tipping of our GDP towards more and endless social spending and entitlements. It is not sustainable.

However, the immediate and most deadly threat cannot be ignored, which is precisely what Ron Paul would do. There are hosts of reasons and arguments against the notion that Ron Paul would even be fiscally responsible in the first place, but those arguments distract from his most fatal and irresponsible positions.

51 posted on 10/08/2007 8:20:10 AM PDT by lormand ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: Badeye

We’ve had what 4k deaths in the last 20 years due to foreign terrorists? As far as I’m concerned, next time it happens, the country(ies) involved get bombed into oblivion. A weak domestic policy will inevitably lead to a collapsing military (see USSR). The two go hand and hand.


52 posted on 10/08/2007 5:52:01 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: rb22982

“American never got into a war because it was too strong’

Ronald Reagan


53 posted on 10/09/2007 5:51:17 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Badeye

Yes, economically strong is just as important as militarily. Many great military countries saw huge military declines due to collapsing economies including Rome, Ottoman Empire, and the USSR. If you do not have the economic infrastructure to handle increasing military technology without bankrupting your gov’t, its worthless.


54 posted on 10/09/2007 8:18:22 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: rb22982

Yep.


55 posted on 10/09/2007 8:27:36 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Badeye
That alone makes him completely and totally incapable of being President.

you mean like president bush ?

56 posted on 10/11/2007 7:19:33 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (prov 30:33)
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To: lormand

Please tell me that was photoshopped.

Incidentally, Ron Paul plays the pork game just like all the others.


57 posted on 10/11/2007 7:55:16 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: elhombrelibre
...such as abolishing the Federal Reserve and returning to the Gold Standard.

I don't think those are necessarily bad ideas, but you'd need some plan and time period for transition from the Federal Reserve fiat currency back to the gold-backed one.

58 posted on 10/11/2007 8:01:39 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: AuntB

Dear Ron Paul: Like you, I am not pro-war. Unlike you, I am pro-victory. How ‘bout rooting for our side (for a change)!


59 posted on 10/11/2007 8:04:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Dear Ron Paul: Like you, I am not pro-war. Unlike you, I am pro-victory. How ‘bout rooting for our side (for a change)!

Exactly. There is nothing left but victory or surrender (Call it what you want, it would be surrender)

This is what I keep asking Ron Paul supporters, but they can't answer it.

Paul wants the patriot act and any legislation like it ended, even though no one can show abuses of it.

Paul refused to vote for military to patrol our borders. So he doesn't plan on stopping them there.

Paul voted for Most favored nation trade status for China, stating he was for the same for Iran, Iraq, etc. and would never use economic sanctions against any country.

In March, Paul requested millions to build the Texas Leg of the Nafta Superhighway.

So what is Paul's plan to protect Americans?

60 posted on 10/11/2007 8:10:49 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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