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To: SJackson
it was the neocons,

The funny thing is that Ron Paul is a "neo-con". Back in the days when the word actually meant something the title "neo-con" was a "New Conservative" and meant someone who had switched from another party to the GOP.

Now days it just means "Someone who would not vote for Pat Buchanan"

207 posted on 10/05/2007 4:52:13 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Pelham
Now days it just means "Someone who would not vote for Pat Buchanan"

I don't know. I've found the whole neocon label to be very convenient and self-serving. Is it wrong for a liberal to give up their politics and beliefs to become a conservative if they make a heartfelt change? It seems to me that neoconservatism has more to do with ideology than one's youthful indiscretions and/or political affiliations.

By the "used to be a liberal, but now is a conservative" definition, I am a neocon, though I don't agree with the presuppositions behind the neoconservative philosophy or outlook. In fact, I happen to agree with Pat Buchanan on many issues.

Where does that leave me? Answer: Politically homeless. There are a lot of us.
209 posted on 10/05/2007 5:41:23 PM PDT by governmentstillsucks ( "Christianity provides a unified answer for the whole of life." --Dr. Francis Schaeffer)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"..Ron Paul is a "neo-con".

He said, thereby proving Harmless Teddy Bear doesn't know what he is talking about.

Time for some research, HTB.

219 posted on 10/05/2007 6:43:19 PM PDT by Designer
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
The funny thing is that Ron Paul is a "neo-con"

Not exactly. Ron Paul might be a paleolibertarian or a 'Constitutionalist' but he's not from the neocon camp. Neoconservatives came from the Cold Warrior wing of the Democratic Party. They were Great Society Democrats who were hawks on foreign policy. They joined forces with Reagan conservatives in 1980 because they wanted a muscular foreign policy, and they were being marginalized by the McGovern and Carter forces that were in control of the Democratic Party. Jeanne Kirkpatrick is a one example.

As an ideology neoconservatives gathered around Irving Kristol, who popularized the term, and Norman Podhoretz. Commentary Magazine was the movement's flagship publication. Neoconservativism has roots in Democratic Party liberalism and socialism- as in the case of Joshua Muravchik, one time activist in the Young People's Socialist League. This isn't Ron Paul country.

243 posted on 10/05/2007 9:17:58 PM PDT by Pelham ( "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?)
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