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To: js1138
"It has a meaning, just not a useful one. “Bias” implies a system would trigger Dembski’s explanatory filter by including an event that is too improbable to have occurred via natural causes."

No, ID will not exist in every possible biased system, but ID can not exist at all in a system without bias.

That's why "bias" is a valid falsification criteria for ID.

Bias does not mandate ID, but the lack of bias precludes ID.

244 posted on 10/07/2007 8:53:30 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

If you have a rigorous, mathematical algorithm for calculating “bias,” by all means, whip it out. Dembski’s unfortunately depends on cute things like “best estimate” at key places where we don’t know the steps by which something happened.

You are also wrong in saying lack of bias precludes ID. There are people selling strings of “random” numbers to gambling institutions and research projects. The process by which the numbers are generated is highly sophisticated, and the products are guaranteed to be without bias. the process by which numbers are picked for lotto is also designed.

There is no reason whatsoever why a designer wouldn’t include stochastic processes in a design.

Without knowing who or what the designer is, you cannot say anything whatsoever about the designer’s motives and methods.


245 posted on 10/07/2007 3:33:36 PM PDT by js1138
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