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1 posted on 10/05/2007 4:11:09 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

I knew that there had to be more to the story....the pictures and discription of the little homemaker from New York was too disjointed..now we find there may have been drinking involved ...kinda like when a kid dies in a fight..he was always such a good kid....


2 posted on 10/05/2007 4:14:56 AM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I’m a bit baffled at why this is such a major news story.


3 posted on 10/05/2007 4:16:05 AM PDT by Tolsti
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To: Erik Latranyi

Isn’t it less than an hour to drive from Phoenix to Tucson?


16 posted on 10/05/2007 4:43:27 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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But they were wrong. At 3:29 p.m., Gotbaum was discovered dead. Police say she strangled herself with her chain. Her lawyer isn't so sure. "It's pretty clear that somehow, some way, somebody used that chain around her neck," said Manning.

Ok Mr. Lawyer, who are you accusing of murder? If you're going to do it, none of this pussyfooting around, just name names.

21 posted on 10/05/2007 4:59:28 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: Erik Latranyi

Just a white woman with a Jewish-sounding name. Nothing to see here. Move on.


22 posted on 10/05/2007 5:00:04 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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“”She was screaming ‘You’re hurting me!’” recalled another witness. “The handcuffs are too tight on me!’”

Some speculate that could have been Gotbaum’s fatal moment.

“When a person is lying prone and someone is lying on the back of the person, the person can’t breathe,” said former NYPD Captain Edward Mamet.

That’s known as compressional asphyxia. Her attorney says the police could have killed Gotbaum right then and there.

“The witnesses that saw her just before she went into the holding tank say she was completely listless and unconscious,” said Manning.

But according to police: “No one got hurt. The officers picked Ms. Gotbaum up on her feet and two officers then began to escort her to a holding area.” “

Well when the officer says to comply, you do it. Idiot.


23 posted on 10/05/2007 5:01:20 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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We don't know whether she was drinking at lunch.

If she was, she'd probably still be alive. It sounds and looks like a bad case of DTs, which can be fatal to late-stage alkies all by itself - grand mal seizure followed by cardiac arrest and not a drop of alcohol in the victim. Not a nice way to go.
24 posted on 10/05/2007 5:04:56 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Lawyers spin. That’s what they do. The attorney has to keep options open in case there is a decision to proceed with a civil suit, or maybe influence any prosecutions if they are warranted. I know a little about attorneys — I’ve worked for them for 35 years.

That’s why you take these pronouncements with a grain of salt. And that goes for the prosecutors and opposing counsel too, when or if this matter becomes a criminal proceeding or a civil case.

At this point, we don’t know what really happened. We don’t know her physical condition at the time of death. She could have been drunk — we don’t know because there haven’t been any toxicology results. Until the investigations are completed and the reports are done, we should all refrain from getting our daily exercise jumping to conclusions. And I’m reminding myself to do that too.


26 posted on 10/05/2007 5:04:57 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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"I know when she landed in Phoenix, she was stone-cold sober," said Gotbaum family attorney Michael Manning. "She got off the plane, called her husband, confident, committed, excited."

Wow. That's a good attorney - he traveled back in time and got a blood sample from his deceased client the moment she got off the plane. You don't often see that kind of dedication.

29 posted on 10/05/2007 5:16:09 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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"When a person is lying prone and someone is lying on the back of the person, the person can't breathe," said former NYPD Captain Edward Mamet. That's known as compressional asphyxia. Her attorney says the police could have killed Gotbaum right then and there.

However, the video clearly shows her walking with the police after they arrested her.

So the attorney knew that claim was completely bogus well before he even made it.

30 posted on 10/05/2007 5:20:46 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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"She got her cell phone, broke it on a couple of customers, hit hem, threw it on her," said the witness.

There used to be people called "editors" who would make corrections to the stories the reporters turned in. What ever happened to editors?

42 posted on 10/05/2007 5:59:17 AM PDT by Rocky (Dan Rather and the NYT: Fake but accurate)
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Given what we now know of the women’s problems and reason for travel, why on Earth did her husband, or another family member accompany her? She was heading to Rehab and drinking at the bar right before her flight, so much so that she missed the flight? Now they want to blame the police? Typical libs, take no responsibility for anything, then sue when something bad happens that they could have prevented with a little foresight and responsibility. I guess that’s asking too much from the liberal elites...


44 posted on 10/05/2007 6:04:26 AM PDT by BrotherJohn
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1904335/posts?q=1&;page=1


46 posted on 10/05/2007 6:12:19 AM PDT by toldyou
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