Posted on 10/04/2007 9:41:17 PM PDT by STARWISE
Thats the sort of house one cna afford when one is not paying their taxes. :-)
Elaine and Ed: family Brown (in their preferred nut-case formulation) are delusional, convicted criminals, and are most certainly not correct about tax law or anything else.
You are delusional if you actually think they are correct.
E&E are also likely going to be charged with a multitude of additional offenses involving obstruction of justice, weapons, explosives and threatening various federal officers, including a judge. This time around, they won't have a choice about attending their trial or sentencing.
They will both likely die in federal prison. All of their assets either have been or will be seized to satisfy their tax and other obligations, both state and federal. Their kid may be indicted as an accessory to Elaine's obstruction.
The four arrested accomplices who assisted them in obstructing justice are all facing heavy prison time for multiple offenses. Up to 125 years.
They are all textbook examples of what should and does happen to nut-case tax protesters.
What amazes me is that there are actually people here who think they were "right" and anyone who points out that they are nothing but malcontented, self-interested criminals must work for the federal government or support the current system of taxation.
Too bad you don't know what you're talking about.
The right not to incriminate yourself applies to criminal matters. The filing of a tax return isn't a criminal matter.
Everything else you said is equally without merit.
Do you just make stuff up as you go along, or are you a tax protester?
You and I went through this before. You couldn’t do what the Brown’s were asking be done which was to produce the law passed by Congress and signed by a President. Instead you produced a load of obfuscatory and irrelevant amendment law. You finally admitted you wished there was ‘a clean copy’ which in fact there isn’t.
Now go ahead and cut and paste to confuse the issue. Cut and paste numerous laws that have really nothing to do with the issue at hand.
It’s obvious you have a stake in the system. You rattle off case after case of criminal conviction that are mostly unknown to the public. Of course you work in the Income tax system or its KGB tax court.
And any case that trumps the KGB IRS you will say was a ‘technical’ problem,
a ‘T-E-C-H-N-I-C-A-L’ problem.
And since you last blew your hot air on these threads another case came up where the IRS was beaten on the issue that there is no law. Here it is:
Now go ahead and tell us there was a ‘technical’ problem, the jury had a ‘technical’ problem.
And what is the other smear you make to those that don’t support the current system? Oh, they must be tax-evaders!
Get your head out of your *ss and start growing a pair!
Look up the FairTax:
You are, as usual, full of it. I won't wait for you to substantiate your idiotic claims because you can't.
Whenever you stop confusing me with someone else, you might want to actually read 26 USC.
It might rid you of some of your apparently many delusions. Then again, perhaps not as you seem to be beyond reason.
That is, he was too stupid to understand his obligation to file and therefore his failure to file wasn't willful, which is a necessary element of proof in order to convict.
In other words, he avoided prison because he lucked out and got a jury full of idiots who bought his BS, but he still owes every single penny of tax, penalty and interest.
That trick only works once, and every time it works to avoid prison, the idiot using it still owes 100% of the tax, penalty and interest.
Same as Kuglin and others who have used the "I'm stupid" defense. They ALL still owe every penny of tax, penalty and interest. Kuglin's wages are being garnished to this day. They are all dealing with liens. They all owe what they tried to aviod, but couldn't.
But, as you have repeatedly proven incapable of understanding these simple concepts, I certainly don't expect you to suddenly understand them now.
You are truly the gift which never stops giving.
My "stake" in the system is that I'm a citizen. I've never worked for the IRS or any accounting firm, tax or otherwise. I've never worked for anyone or anything involved in even the remotest way with the assessment, enforcement or collection of taxes either local, state or federal, nor would I ever want to.
I hate the IRS. Primarily because they are chock-full of incompetents. Close enough for government work. A problem we will never be rid of.
You, on the other hand, apparent paranoid that you are, see anyone who points out your total incompetence in terms of evaluating the monumentally idiotic positions of Brown or Cryer as the "enemy."
Here's another clue, since you obviously need a lot of them. Whether or not a case is unknown to the public means nothing.
While I wholeheartedly support tax reform, you and the rest of the TP idiots who have no clue about reality are a net detriment to the effort. Please go away until you wake up to reality.
Yada Yada Yada!
As if I can’t look up 26USC and read for myself. Of course you can’t cite the original source Public Law that gave rise to those provisions in 26USC. Let’s see you try again as you did so many months ago when you failed miserable and finally admitted there was no clean copy.
Give it up scumbag and admit you have difficulty living with the imp that inhabits your skin.
Oh yeah, another ‘technical’ problem.
You got an excuse for everything. Now it’s a ‘jury full of idiots’.
Get lost scumbag, and take your small little nads with you.
I hate the IRS. Primarily because they are chock-full of incompetents. Close enough for government work. A problem we will never be rid of.
Oh sure, scumbag, you hate the IRS?
BWAHAHAHAHA!
You're so full of it, you're making this part of FR smell like a latrine with plugged stalls that hasn't been cleaned in a year.
So you know all about the IRS and you spend all this time on IRS criminal cases just for sh*ts and giggles? You're a strange little duck scumbag, and a liar to boot.
I’ll ignore your gratuitous insults.
Am I to understand therefore that you voluntarily file your income taxes? I file mine under threat of penalties.
I took his post to mean the IRS can piss on our rights and because it isn’t a “criminal matter” they are perfectly justified.
Yeah, I took his comments to mean that all is goodness and light under the income taxing IRS.
Are you one of the "26 USC isn't positive law" TPs?
Why else would you even care which statutes contain the verbiage from which 26 USC was drawn?
26 USC is presumed to be an accurate statement of the law in federal court unless you can find a discrepancy between an underlying statute and the particular provision as stated in 26 USC.
Since you can't find any such discrepancy, you're stuck with 26 USC as it reads.
Which makes Brown wrong.
Which makes Cryer wrong.
Which makes you wrong.
Not to mention a long line of other losers like Meredith, Schiff, Rose, Simkanin, Thompson and Kotmair, all of whom are or have been in federal prison on criminal tax convictions.
You can now go back to ignoring the facts.
What right are they violating? You have no right against self-incrimination unless it's a criminal matter. That's a well-settled legal issue.
All the IRS cares about is that you report the income. You don't have to disclose the source with such precision that it would raise any eyebrows. As long as the income is reported and any applicable tax paid, the IRS is happy. They are charged with administering the tax laws, not drug laws or laws against loan-sharking or any other illicit activity.
Or, if you prefer, you can note that you are exercising your 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination and refusing to identify the source of the income while still reporting the amount of the income.
Either way, the IRS is happy.
There were no gratuitous insults.
I also note that you have no substantive response to the fact that every single thing you claimed is wrong.
1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th amendments at least.
Gosh, that's funny, tens of thousands of very smart lawyers with very wealthy clients who would love not to have to pay income taxes have had almost 90 years to make and win a case that even one right under the Constitution is somehow violated, which would result in the invalidation of the income tax as it presently exists.
Amazingly, not a single one has ever been able to do it.
You'll forgive me if I conclude that there is zero truth to your claims.
But he only shoots women and children; the man would have been safe.
Good point
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