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B-school Confidential: MBAs May Be Obsolete
Yahoo Finance ^ | 10/04/2007 | Penelope Trunk

Posted on 10/04/2007 11:56:42 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

The Master of Business Administration degree has been a holy grail for decades. If you wanted a career that mattered and didn't have the aptitude for medical school, an MBA was a good ticket to prestige and riches.

But things aren't so clear anymore. If the MBA used to be the entrance fee to climb the corporate ladder, there are few corporate ladders to climb anymore -- and people are increasingly experimenting with ways to speed up that climb anyway. One way is to skip the MBA altogether.

So if you're thinking of getting an MBA, you should probably think twice. Here are five signs that the MBA is becoming devalued:

1. Only the top business schools have high value.

The difference between the value of a top-tier MBA and all the others is very big. In fact, if you don't get into a top-tier program, the value of your MBA is so compromised that it's not worth it to stop working in order to get the degree. Go to night school instead.

A lot of people already know this, which has made the competition to get into a top-tier b-school fierce. So much so that you probably need a consultant to help you get in. Wondering how effective those consultants are at gaming the system? So effective that schools are publicly saying they're trying to change the application process in order to undermine the effectiveness of application coaches.

2. Business schools are compromised by a lack of female applicants.

Harvard Business School is so concerned that it's not receiving enough female applicants that it's changed the admission process to accommodate the biological clock. This means that students will have less work experience coming into the program.

In the past, business schools have said that prior work experience is important to the MBA education. But apparently, the lack of women is so detrimental to the education that Harvard is willing to take less work experience.

While the changes are beneficial for women in some respects, one has to wonder if this doesn't compromise the value of an MBA for everyone.

3. Business school is like buying a high-priced recruiter.

The best thing you get out of business school is a good job afterward. But how do you know you wouldn't be able to get that job without business school?

In an article in The Atlantic, management consultant Matthew Stewert says you probably could. He also says you should consider paying a recruiter to get you a good job, and spend your time taking philosophy classes instead. That's because philosophers, as Stewert writes, "are much better at knowing what they don't know. ... In a sense, management theory is what happens to philosophers when you pay them too much."

And if you are thinking of becoming a CEO, Sallie Krawcheck, herself the CEO of Citigroup's Global Wealth Management, says you should be an investment banking analyst first. That's because being a CEO is really about making decisions with limited information, and that's what analysts do best.

4. Hotshots don't go to business school anymore.

For a while now, it's been clear that the true entrepreneurial geniuses don't need degrees. The most effective way to learn about entrepreneurship is to practice in real life. You don't need an MBA for that.

Now that trend is filtering into the finance industry. Pausing one's career to get an MBA used to be non-negotiable for investment bankers. But today, the top candidates in finance are choosing to forgo business school. They're already making tons of money, and they're well-positioned to keep making tons of money, so the MBA seems unnecessary.

The upshot of this is that business school might start looking like something for people who are feeling a little bit stuck in their careers and need a jumpstart, rather than just a starting gate for superstars.

5. People go to business school for the wrong reasons.

An MBA is very expensive in terms of time and money, and it solves few problems. If you're not a star performer before b-school, you probably won't be one after you graduate And if you just want to make a lot of money, the odds of you of doing that are only as good as the odds of you getting into a top school -- currently about 1 in 10.

If you're still wondering if an MBA is necessary for you, here are five more situations that might put the nail in the coffin of the MBA.

The bottom line is that very few careers today really require an MBA. If you're getting one for a career that doesn't require it, you might look more like a procrastinator than a go-getter.


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1 posted on 10/04/2007 11:56:57 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

From my personal experience, having an MBA helps in terms of personal development and in ‘all else equal’ situations when applying for jobs, but, as a Business degree is somewhat generic, it is how you specialize that makes a difference.

Focus on your field, and if you are pursuing an MBA, also work on a PMP certification or something that shows you have specialized knowledge and skills.


2 posted on 10/04/2007 11:59:58 AM PDT by mnehring ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: SirLinksalot

I wonder.....does Steve Jobs have an MBA? Bill Gates? the Gooooogle guys?..........


3 posted on 10/04/2007 12:01:29 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

Of course you know the answer is NO to all three right ?

In fact Jobs and Gates were college dropouts.


4 posted on 10/04/2007 12:02:51 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Exactly...........


5 posted on 10/04/2007 12:14:25 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: SirLinksalot
I couldn't agree more with this article. Too much college is too much college. Get your bachelors then go on and get your CPA and hit the ground running. One of my best friends does not have his MBA but he hires people to work under him, that have them. Often, the experience you obtained is far more valuable to an employer than the amont of time you spent in college.

But .. I think that people who waste their time getting high degrees, are bound for success. They are not only intelligent, but they have good common sense, instincts and the drive to succeed.

Unfortunately, I also know some *professional students*. They stay in school, getting more-and-more degrees, so they don't have to go out and try to make it in the real world. They like to think of themselves as great intellects, and brag about their degrees .. but none of them have ever accomplished anything by using any of their degrees. My husband calls them "educated idiots".

One last thought. Women need to get their Bachelors. If women ever expect to make enough money to support themselves and be truly independent .. then they need to get an education. Women need to know that they can make it on their own, if they have to.

6 posted on 10/04/2007 12:15:14 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: SirLinksalot

I’m finding more and more that the people who are set on hiring MBA’s are the people with MBA’s. Once an MBA gets to the top of your company, you can expect the MBA to become a job requirement.


7 posted on 10/04/2007 12:19:56 PM PDT by T.Smith
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To: mnehrling
I'm glad I have mine. For me it was worth the time I put in. I have used what I learned many times.
8 posted on 10/04/2007 12:20:26 PM PDT by b4its2late (~ This Tagline Intentionally Left Blank ~)
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To: CometBaby
"Women need to know that they can make it on their own, if they have to."

Would you please tell that to my sisters? They won't listen to their big brother. :)

I plan on starting my MBA next year. That is after I finish my PMP certification.

The endgame is to acquire a baseline of business knowledge to start/buy my own business. NOT to climb the corporate ladder...
9 posted on 10/04/2007 12:21:40 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: SirLinksalot

What really hurt the MBA was lack of a certification. MBAs should have had certification testing much like CPAs etc.


10 posted on 10/04/2007 12:30:42 PM PDT by Codeflier (Implement Loser Pays)
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To: SirLinksalot

While a “professional” journalist may disagree, I have found that people with MBA degrees generally know something valuable regarding finance, operations and working in groups under pressure to solve complex business problems.

When I look at the twenty-something children of my friends, I see that the ones with MBAs have triple-digit incomes. And that many of the ones who only earned “soft” BAs or “soft” MAs are still trying to “launch”.

I gather that the author of this cheap-shot piece has a “soft” degree himself and that his envy of the success of others has led him into a quagmire of wishful thinking and self-pity.


11 posted on 10/04/2007 12:34:59 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: pfony1
I gather that the author of this cheap-shot piece has a “soft” degree himself and that his envy of the success of others has led him into a quagmire of wishful thinking and self-pity.

Actually, the author is a woman.
12 posted on 10/04/2007 12:44:32 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: b4its2late

Would you recommend a new business undergraduate to immediately apply to an MBA program, or would you advise that he/she work for a few years first before going to MBA school ?


13 posted on 10/04/2007 12:46:18 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Don’t forget Richard Branson.


14 posted on 10/04/2007 12:47:45 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: SirLinksalot; pfony1
The best thing you get out of business school is a good job afterward.

So the article is saying that you don't learn anything useful about running a business in business school? Isn't there some sort of body of knowledge that is required to run a large corporation? Maybe not.

15 posted on 10/04/2007 12:54:40 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
Isn't there some sort of body of knowledge that is required to run a large corporation?

How about getting some working experience and actually LEARNING from it ?
16 posted on 10/04/2007 1:03:58 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
In fact Jobs and Gates were college dropouts.

Michael Dell also. Want to make it big? Then get after it as soon as you can rather than coasting along in our leftist madrassas called universities.

17 posted on 10/04/2007 1:09:31 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: SirLinksalot

I’ve got mine and I’m glad I did.


18 posted on 10/04/2007 1:12:53 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: SirLinksalot

The value of an MBA is not the credential. The value is the knowledge you gain when getting the degree. A “top business school” may offer a “credential” but the most valuable MBA to the business may come from any good accredited program. It is self motivation, ethics and wisdom that makes the MBA not the school.

I don’t believe the MBA is obsolete. Perhaps if Harvard is more interested in diversity than quality, it is Harvard that is obsolete.


19 posted on 10/04/2007 1:14:08 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

btt


20 posted on 10/04/2007 1:14:59 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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