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We came so close to World War Three that day (More Info)
The Spectator ^ | October 3, 2007 | James Forsyth and Douglas Davis

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:39:34 AM PDT by Parmenio

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To: Spktyr

Yes, R. Actually, I’ll have to dig up the photo, it may have been something else.


181 posted on 10/04/2007 12:16:52 PM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: Spktyr

I’d only heard of one post-WWII nuke used in combat (a nuclear land mine got tripped on the Sino-Russian border). What’s the other one?


182 posted on 10/04/2007 12:16:53 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: geopyg
Why not sink the ship? Because someone will try to recover it. Nuclear material shouldn't be left unattended for any old crazy Russian or ChiCom ship to recover. Better off in the hands of the Israelis where they can store it with the Ark of the Covenant. (Indiana Jones reference)
183 posted on 10/04/2007 12:17:20 PM PDT by ConservatismNow (Iran is just a fantastic natural resource crying out for new, more responsible owners.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

184 posted on 10/04/2007 12:18:14 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

http://www.thirtythousandfeet.com/rentride.htm


185 posted on 10/04/2007 12:18:20 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Southack

If Israel ever finds a North Korean nuke in any enemy territories it really should respect the origins of the device and return it prompt by dropping it back over the northern Korea peninsula.

Return to sender, armed.


186 posted on 10/04/2007 12:22:09 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

As others have responded, an Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) knocks out sold state circuitry. One of the big fears about a nuclear Iran is that, if they acquire a nuclear ICBM capable of reaching the western hemisphere , a high-altitude detonation would effect a vast area of the US with the pulse.


187 posted on 10/04/2007 12:22:10 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: Tree of Liberty

The other one (that we know of that seismographic evidence cannot be dismissed as something else) was probably much the same. What *I’d* read about speculated (with *some* evidence sourced from former Soviet documents that managed to survive the multiple purges) that it was a nuclear self-destruct charge used by the Soviets when the Chinese overran a divisional HQ.


188 posted on 10/04/2007 12:22:37 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Badeye; Dog
You describe a battlefield exchange between two of them here. Even if its nukes, its not a ‘World War’ by definition. Reason to be worried as hell? No denying it. But World War? Nope, not even close.

It depends on what happens next, of course. Who does Israel hit, besides Syria? Does Iran then pop in with its own nukes, directed at its various enemies?

And what does, say, Egypt do? Turkey?

I can't imagine that the consequences would be that an exchange between Israel and Syria would result in nothing -- the Israelis would undoubtedly hit other targets as well, if only to pre-empt.

189 posted on 10/04/2007 12:22:57 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: crazyshrink

Saw that before on FR. It made me giggle so loud, the office came running to see what the joke was (I work in a very decorous law firm). How true, how true, the words on the wings are.


190 posted on 10/04/2007 12:23:42 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: zot

Some informed-sounding speculation here...


191 posted on 10/04/2007 12:24:16 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: AU72

Link?


192 posted on 10/04/2007 12:25:28 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: nnn0jeh

PING


193 posted on 10/04/2007 12:25:43 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: ConservatismNow

I suppose someone could could try to recover it someday - but get it deep enough... Of course, if its intercepted mid ocean then you may not know for sure who it was going to.

But, it seems odd that you would track this shipment out on the ocean (fairly easy I would guess) but let it arrive at a port with trucks and rail cars and other ships going every direction and not be concerned on if the whole shipment is going to one place, several places, or where? But... they may have had “on the ground” information to minimize them losing it. (Its a Brand X weapon, the only Brand X facility they have is located at ....)


194 posted on 10/04/2007 12:26:11 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Spktyr
I found that statement very illuminating - on just how insane liberals are.

If stupid comments about bombing were the means by which one can spot insane liberals, it would mean we've got quite a few insane liberal FReepers....

195 posted on 10/04/2007 12:26:47 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Spktyr

You lucky duck! It must make you feel so alive — just pulsing with engines — feeling the G forces. What a great feeling to be free of everything except the deep blue sky and the bright shining sun. Yahoo!


196 posted on 10/04/2007 12:28:07 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Spktyr
Their satellite photo of my parents’ house, for example, shows a car they haven’t owned in 9 years.

Which suggests that they have an aerial, not a satellite photo of your parents' house.

197 posted on 10/04/2007 12:28:20 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: ctdonath2
Link?

No problem.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123724

198 posted on 10/04/2007 12:28:25 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Tree of Liberty

Gah, hit post too soon.

In any case, both the one you’d heard about and the one I’d read about (two separate detonations) *were* in the general vicinity of the Sino-Soviet border.

For those that don’t know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Sino-Russian_Border_Agreement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict

Beyond what Wikipedia says, after the 1969 mini-war, there continued to be skirmishes and even pitched medium-unit battles until well into the late 80s, early 90s.


199 posted on 10/04/2007 12:30:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Calvin Locke
"One of my *new* theories is that NK told the US about the shipment, since NK has to keep face, and wanted to get paid by Syria/Iran, and since they did tell, Bush is now rewarding them for the heads-up."

So...why did the US require Israel to get a 'sample' as proof before 'approving' an air strike if we already knew about it?

200 posted on 10/04/2007 12:30:51 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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