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We came so close to World War Three that day (More Info)
The Spectator ^ | October 3, 2007 | James Forsyth and Douglas Davis

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:39:34 AM PDT by Parmenio

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To: Constitutions Grandchild

I remember begging a guard with an AK next to the stealth fighter at an Austin air show ‘oh, come on, please? let me inside it?’ He laughed, shaking his head.


161 posted on 10/04/2007 11:58:34 AM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: SampleMan

<<<<No. Jamming is evident to the radar operator.

Not always. It can be indistinguishable from natural phenomena. Or it can be subtle. I’ve seen radar operators looking at a completely black suppressed scope thinking everything was fine when the ‘aggressor’ aircraft flew overhead. All jamming does not necessarily look like the 40 year old black and white pictures I was trained on.

In order to have a chance anti-aircraft systems have to be new and up-to-date, functioning normally within their designed capabilities, be configured correctly and manned by alert, expert users. That is hard to accomplish.


162 posted on 10/04/2007 11:58:53 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: Parmenio

I’m curious. Nothing in the piece indicates that anyone was “close” to nuclear war. Nothing about it indicates that something big was ready to go in hours or days or even months. Surely the raid was necessary and salutary but the article does not support the headline.


163 posted on 10/04/2007 12:00:18 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: 19th LA Inf
Ofek 7 orbits only over Israel’s areas of interest, rather than covering the entire earth as most U.S. satellites do.

Only if the Israelis have discovered some new kind of gravity....

It's in a 600 km, 141.7 degree inclination (retrograde) orbit:

International Designator: 2007-025A; NORAD SSC#: 31601
Orbital Inclination: 141.7 deg;
Orbital Period: 93.75 min
Apogee x Perigee: 576 x 340 km

The orbit does provide excellent coverage of the Middle East, however -- 6-7 consecutive passes per day.

164 posted on 10/04/2007 12:01:37 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: bert

True, but it would have to be refined into the metallic form for a weapon.


165 posted on 10/04/2007 12:02:40 PM PDT by null and void (<---- Living a life of quiet desperation...)
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To: Spok
As in the Clinton years, the Democrats, with the aid of the MSM, will be able to deny and hide real international threats while working on domestic ‘reform’.

And all the while will be transferring nuclear technology to any enemies who have had the foresight to contribute relative pittances to their campaigns(and maybe larger sums to Swiss banks).

166 posted on 10/04/2007 12:04:16 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Neutron weapons are built to release most of their power as neutron radiaton, rather than pure explosive power. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb

No country is known to currently deploy neutron bombs or “enhanced radiaton weapons”.

Against surface targets, ERWs would be used specifically for wiping out all forms of life (and most electronics) in an area while leaving some structures (like bunkers) intact.


167 posted on 10/04/2007 12:04:20 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I know, but it’s a start.

There is a service that gives daily satellite updates. A bit hard to find what you want, but workable. Once I can find the right area via Google, then I’ll dig up that link and see what recent stuff can be found.


168 posted on 10/04/2007 12:04:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: txflake
Amazing isn’t it? All my life I wished I could just once have the chance to fly in a fighter jet — you know, screaming toward the sun with my hair on fire. Being the weenie I am, I’d get airsick and probably pass out, but oh how I wish I could. My heart is with them — those boys of the sky — someday, maybe someday. What a rush that would be. Sorry, don’t mean to sidetrack this very, very outstanding thread.
169 posted on 10/04/2007 12:05:18 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: txflake

Um... the guard probably wasn’t carrying an AK as that is a Soviet/Russian/Chinese issue weapon, and not US issue... more like an AR.


170 posted on 10/04/2007 12:05:53 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Ironfocus

Certainly possible.


171 posted on 10/04/2007 12:06:33 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Southack; Cap Huff; bert; shield; jeffers

See post 159...


172 posted on 10/04/2007 12:06:52 PM PDT by Dog
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To: plenipotentiary

Yeah, that would fit.


173 posted on 10/04/2007 12:08:15 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: NoobRep

Good luck with those “upgrades”.... Probably won’t help at all, most likely a tech support “gesture” to Syria to try to keep their arms sales alive.


174 posted on 10/04/2007 12:09:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Southack

“IF Israel captured a North Korean nuke in Syria”

I think that would be pretty difficult too. But, perhaps enough hard evidence that could be retrieved and then bomb the place. Otherwise, why not just blow a few holes in the ship in 15,000 feet of water and let it all sink to the bottom? No radiation release, no evidence, even more complete silence from all parties. Ah - with the evidence that the Israelis received DOES come the silence!?


175 posted on 10/04/2007 12:11:37 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: bert; doodad
Why not guess the big enchilada? They stole the bomb.

Very perspicacious. You took the clues and carried the argument through to its logical conclusion. Somewhere out there in the ether William of Occam is smiling down on you...

176 posted on 10/04/2007 12:12:07 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Belasarius

It’s not jamming in the normal sense. The jamming I was used to was very obvious. Hit the button, you can’t hear them talk anymore kind of stuff. Radar jamming was more in the ELINT field. I dealt more in ground radio signals.


177 posted on 10/04/2007 12:12:54 PM PDT by ConservatismNow (Iran is just a fantastic natural resource crying out for new, more responsible owners.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

I once had the very great privilege of a “check ride” in the back seat of a Navy F-18B. Absolutely astounding.

That said, there are a number of firms in the US that, for a fee, can provide you with a ride in a retired fighter jet. I strongly recommend that you find one and do so if you wish and can afford it.


178 posted on 10/04/2007 12:14:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
So, that’s the new bomb I’ve heard about that can be launched from 200 miles out at sea that could fry all our technology.

Yes, sort of. Every nuke generates an EMP, they can be designed to enhance the pulse, and that's the new one you heard about.

Would they have used that type of weapon on a nuclear weapons target?

No.

I didn’t think it would destroy buildings or leave a hole.

It's still an explosion, just more of the energy is converted to the EMP.

Surely, they would have used the MOAB or whatever the bunker buster is called.

Makes sense to me!

(I’m so not a military type. I have only taken an interest because of my bible studies and my conscience bothers me tremendously that I’m so fascinated with all this military stuff. I’ve discovered that I’m complicated. ;-) )

Not to worry, the Bible is full of military exploits. Indeed, a Biblical description of a battle enabled British troops to out flank and defeat an enemy in modern times.

Also some of the descriptions of battle in the Book of Revelation, which BTW, were impossible to understand for nearly two millenia, are scary accurate descriptions of modern tactics and weapons effects.

179 posted on 10/04/2007 12:14:45 PM PDT by null and void (<---- Living a life of quiet desperation...)
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To: geopyg
President Imadinnerjacket promised a 'Final Response' to supporters of Zionism on Oct. 12, the end of Ramadam.
180 posted on 10/04/2007 12:16:06 PM PDT by AU72
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