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Republican Shocker: Free Trade's Not So Good After All
CNBC ^ | 10-4-07 | John Harwood

Posted on 10/04/2007 7:07:18 AM PDT by SJackson

I've seen a lot of opinion polling, but my jaw dropped when I saw this result from our special NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll of Republicans in advance of next week's presidential candidate debate sponsored by CNBC, MSNBC and the WSJ. By a nearly two-to-one margin, Republican voters believe free trade is bad for the U.S. economy, a shift in opinion that mirrors Democratic views and suggests trade deals could face high hurdles under a new president.

Six in 10 Republicans in the poll agreed with a statement that free trade has been bad for the U.S. and said they would agree with a Republican candidate who favored tougher regulations to limit foreign imports. That represents a challenge for Republican candidates who generally echo Mr. Bush’s calls for continued trade expansion, and reflects a substantial shift in sentiment from eight years ago.

"It’s a lot harder to sell the free-trade message to Republicans," said Republican pollster Neil Newhouse, who conducts the Journal/NBC poll with Democratic counterpart Peter Hart.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china; duncanhunter; freetrade; nafta; trade
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To: dennisw
Then you favor policies that ruin the US dollar and boost your foreign stock portfolio.

No more than Warren Buffet does.

I enjoy a strong dollar because it makes imports, including oil, cheaper. A weaker dollar makes our exports more competitive. Personally, if the dollar gets weaker my higher costs are offset by an increase in a portion of my stock holdings.

It's not rocket science, but is still too complicated for you to understand. So whine some more.

321 posted on 10/05/2007 5:37:43 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: NVDave
It also is allowing them to export commodity-based inflation to the US economy, and there’s not a thing the Federal Reserve can do to stop that.

The Chinese currency peg allows them to export inflation to us? You'll have to explain how that works.

If we were using the “same currency”, then actions taken by the Federal Reserve would ripple through into the Chinese yuan.

Fed actions do impact the Chinese.

Since it is clearly obvious that actions by the Fed do not do this, there is no basis in fact for “all intents and purposes we are using the same currency.”

If their currency is pegged to the dollar, how are we using different currencies?

322 posted on 10/05/2007 5:43:51 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: dennisw
We have become much richer by getting lots of "stuff" such as plasma TVs by borrowing money from foreigners to import from them.

How much did we borrow from foreigners to do that? How much did you borrow from foreigners?

323 posted on 10/05/2007 5:46:33 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: dennisw
Because you say so? Is that why the more protectionist countries always have lower per-capita GDP's?

What crap. Japan and Korea are doing very well and China's GDP is growing near 10% each year

And yet, the US has higher GDP per capita than these more protectionist countries.

324 posted on 10/05/2007 5:48:23 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: NVDave
At the rate of our budget deficit, all they need to do is stop buying US government debt. They buy so much of it, that without their buying, interest rates would have to move upwards substantially to attract replacement buyers.

Really? How much did they buy last year?

The IMF reckons that if the Yuan were truly floated, it would be trading at about 2.095 yuan to $1.00, not 7.51:1.

I hope you don't risk a large chunk of your capital based on the IMF.

325 posted on 10/05/2007 5:50:51 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: hawkboy
I’m with you.

I bought an old house in the late ‘90s, and along with it came a wood shop still full of tools. The old man from whose estate we bought it was a furniture maker. Some of the electric tools are now 50(!) years old or older and when you plug them in and pull the triggers, they sound very good, and they work fine. I have a 30 year old Milwaukee power saw (I bought it new) that still works great. All U.S. made.

I’ve got a couple boxes of junk tools, too, made in the last 15 to 20 years. U.S. name brands, but foreign made. Junk.

326 posted on 10/05/2007 5:56:42 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Mase

The little girl is still running away. I hope she’s okay. LOL!


327 posted on 10/05/2007 5:59:33 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: grey_whiskers
So Wal-Mart when it started bragged about 'Made in America' but then (without pointing out to the consumer) 'encouraged' its suppliers to engage in wage arbitrage, pocketed the bulk of the savings, and passed a bit of the savings on to its consumers.

That's funny! That's why their operating income is a massive 5.88% of revenues.

328 posted on 10/05/2007 6:04:53 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Answer the charge about Friedman,

Which charge? The charge that he knew more about trade than Will88?

329 posted on 10/05/2007 6:08:33 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Just chanting "free trade did it"TM is an oversimplification.

Maybe you should read my post again. Your knee jerk is impeding your ability to comprehend. I was responding to this comment:

To that comment I replied:

Are you saying that cheaper imports have not allowed American consumers to keep more of their money? If so, you'd have to explain how lower prices cost us more. Have at it.

Do you think that low inflation has a positive or negative effect on purchasing power? Higher inflation erodes purchasing power. Cheaper consumer goods tempers inflation and allows consumers greater purchasing power. These things allow us to keep more of our money for other purposes like investing in education for our kids and retirement. Pretty basic, really.

330 posted on 10/05/2007 6:20:11 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: roamer_1
No he cannot, because there aren't any anymore.

No American built products?

LOL!

331 posted on 10/05/2007 6:22:18 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"And yet, the US has higher GDP per capita than these more protectionist countries."

I am pretty sure protectionist (northen) Europe has reached parity with usa on income. Plus thiers is going up while ours is going down. Numbers most certainly on thier side for middle/working classes, maybe not so much for the very rich.

332 posted on 10/05/2007 6:23:09 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: dennisw
Everyone in the world thinks Japan is a rich country except for you

But we're much richer than they are thanks to a freer economy. What I don't understand is why you continue to come to these threads and spout the same nonsense over and over again knowing you're going to be proven wrong over and over again. Have you ever read the definition of insanity?

You're not a member of Mensa either, are you?

333 posted on 10/05/2007 6:25:32 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: dennisw
Everyone in the world thinks Japan is a rich country except for you

Japan is a rich country. America is richer. Dolt.

334 posted on 10/05/2007 6:25:39 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: jpsb
I am pretty sure protectionist (northen) Europe has reached parity with usa on income.

You're wrong.

335 posted on 10/05/2007 6:26:48 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

She does look cute in that pink skirt while running in circles and screaming the sky is falling. Too bad she never went to school.


336 posted on 10/05/2007 6:28:20 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
No I am not wrong, protectionist northern Europe is in pretty good shape, (highly protectionist) France too (minus north African immigrants). Non urban (protectionist) China ain’t doing all that bad either, dido non urban (protectionist) India.
337 posted on 10/05/2007 6:33:48 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb
protectionist northern Europe is in pretty good shape, (highly protectionist) France too (minus north African immigrants).

"Pretty good shape" is not the same as having the same or higher GDP per capita as the US.

338 posted on 10/05/2007 6:41:50 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Mase

Yeah so we’re richer than Japan but Japan is sill very rich. Japan is a unique and wealthy nation. Dittos for Korea and Taiwan and they are all protectionist. You are dead wrong about protectionism. Done intelligently it’s a very good way to go China does it has a very good growth rate

You free trade ideologues are crazy. You even rail about alleged protectionism by the United States which runs up an 850 billion dollar trade deficit. Amazing and stupid is what your theories are


339 posted on 10/05/2007 7:00:39 AM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: jpsb; Toddsterpatriot

You are debating a hypocrite who invests in foreign currencies while advocating moronic “free trade” policies that drag the US dollar down

Out sized trade deficits will trash any currency. Just give it time. Same as your credit score gets trashed when you don’t pay mortgages, credit cards etc etc


340 posted on 10/05/2007 7:05:50 AM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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