Posted on 10/03/2007 10:36:53 PM PDT by neverdem
REPORTS have surfaced in the press about a meeting that occurred last Saturday in Salt Lake City involving more than 50 pro-family leaders. The purpose of the gathering was to discuss our response if both the Democratic and Republican Parties nominate standard-bearers who are supportive of abortion. Although I was neither the convener nor the moderator of the meeting, I’d like to offer several brief clarifications about its outcome and implications.
After two hours of deliberation, we voted on a resolution that can be summarized as follows: If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life, we will join others in voting for a minor-party candidate. Those agreeing with the proposition were invited to stand. The result was almost unanimous.
The other issue discussed at length concerned the advisability of creating a third party if Democrats and Republicans do indeed abandon the sanctity of human life and other traditional family values. Though there was some support for the proposal, no consensus emerged.
Speaking personally, and not for the organization I represent or the other leaders gathered in Salt Lake City, I firmly believe that the selection of a president should begin with a recommitment to traditional moral values and beliefs. Those include the sanctity of human life, the institution of marriage, and other inviolable pro-family principles. Only after that determination is made can the acceptability of a nominee be assessed.
The other approach, which I find problematic, is to choose a candidate according to the likelihood of electoral success or failure. Polls don’t measure right and wrong; voting according to the possibility of winning or losing can lead directly to the compromise of one’s principles. In the present political climate, it could result in the abandonment of...
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No, I doubt that. He probably is just coming from where I am, but for different reasons. If Rudy is the nominee, I DON'T CARE if he or Hillary wins and will not vote for either of them.
The New York Republican.
The cause? What cause?
Better to have the horror of someone we KNOW will assail us, to let people see the evil of that than have someone people will accept because he is a "republican" who will sink the knife in our backs.
I am a Christian, I am a firearm owner, I am against abortion, against illegal immigration, and I think God spoke quite clearly on "gay issues" at Sodom.
Just how is Rudy going to advance anything for me?
He is a lightweight clinton in an elephant suit.
I refuse to waste my vote on a candidate who does NOT represent my interests.
All Rudy has going for him, aside from a string of 11th hour 'conversions' when his initial positions did not fly and he was losing in the polls (see: "reinventing". It isn't just a Clinton thing.) is having been the mayor of a TARGET on 9/11.
That doesn't sell me squat, and it will not sell any of the Democrat "swing vote" either.
Why vote for a cheap immitation when they can have Hillary?
If the Republican Party nominates Rudy, they will lose.
As for 5% of the vote, why not look for a candidate who embraces all of the above issues, as a Conservative? Then you can get all those 5% groups on board. Instead, the Party seems Hell-bent on picking the most divisive of the divisive MSM annointed "front-runners", chosen by Democrats and Socialist media mavens to guarantee the Republicans will lose in 2008.
Really. Think about it.
We all know that by himself, the POTUS cannot stop abortion. What I am looking for, though, is someone who will be most likely to appoint a SCOTUS judge who can, in concert with the other justices overturn Roe, and give the states a fighting chance to stop the salughter.
I am looking for the person who will sign the bill to shut it down.
Do you think Rudy would do that?
“None of the Republican candidates support abortion.”
That’s not true. Mr. Giuliani believes that the Constitution guarantees a “right” to women to procure the killing of their unborn children. During his tenure as mayor, he promoted pro-abortion policies, insisted on city funding of abortion, was against the Hyde Amendment, was against the ban on infanticide, was a NARAL “champion” of abortion.
I know that he’s tried to put some lipstick on the pig, and has flip-flopped on partial birth abortion and a few other things, but he still believes that abortion is a constitutional “right.”
He’s a baby murderer.
I won’t vote for him under any circumstances at all, save that he crawls down Broadway on his hands and knees, with his garments torn, and ashes heaped on his head, publicly begging forgiveness from God for his complicity in murdering babies.
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The cynic would say that Dobson stands to gain more from a Clinton Presidency than he would form a Giuliani Presidency. President Hillary Clinton would unite the pro-life community in outrage, leading to greater membership, donations and influence. President Rudy Giuliani, on the other hand, would frustrate his efforts to organize opposition because he would be fuzzy and hard to pin down, making Dobson’s job much more difficult.
But I am not that cynical.
Limited Government
National Security
Fiscal Discipline/Tax Reduction
Law and Order
Clean Government"
Not one single Reagan Democrat became a Republican to support the above agenda. Not one single Reagan Democrat still registered as a Democrat votes for Republicans to support the above. They may agree with any or all of them, but that has nothing to do with why they vote Republican.
If you believe that Giuliani can win without the religious right, the Reagan Democrats, the NRA, etc., you're in for a big suprise. Rudy cannot even carry his own state against Hillary.
Yes, but we know that his definition of “Constructionist” is RADICALLY different from that of a Conservative.
Also, let’s be real. Even running for the GOP nod, he reaffirms his support of abortion rights and public funding of abortion. He laughs off Sessions claim that he would be functionally Pro-Life, just yesterday. He stand up for those rights even against his own church, which denies him Communion because of it. Do you really think that there is any chance in HELL that he would even take the CHANCE of appointing a Supreme Court Justice who would even CONSIDER overturning Roe?!?! Not a chance in hell, period. To assert otherwise is either immeasurable stupidity, or blatant dishonesty.
Not voting for Rudy, not even if my votes made the final choice in 2008 vs. Hitlery. Wrong direction for the GOP, and America.
Well, at least now we have a plan!
Glad you like it. Now get the baby murderer on board.
Given the choice, I'll have to plunk down for "immesurable stupidity".
Like I said, Rudy is not my guy. If he is the nominee, there will be a great deal of nose-holding in the voting booth as I pull the lever. But pull it I will.
You may well be right that Rudy can't win because he will lose the religious right. This seems unfortunate, to me, because Hillary Clinton is so much worse.
Perhaps he would prefer that the Republican party remain intact for future elections which will not be the case if Giuliani were to be elected President (NOT going to happen though.) The Republican party will be fractured beyond repair if it nominates Giuliani and Dobson is no doubt aware of that as are most thinking people.
Yeah... I'll have to get back to you on that...
Not holding my breath.
The cause...LOL.
I hear that when reasoned justification tends to run dry. The cause? By voting for a known liberal socialist, what cause do you aim to foward? You most assuredly advance the concept that traditional conservative ideals are no longer important enough to you, that out of expediency whoever is wearing the right suffix matters far more than the content of their character or the values they embrace.
Rudy, Niner-one-one has made it clear he stands afar from traditional conservative principles. For me, voting for him would be denying their value, their importance. I won’t do that.
Bump that!
Thanks for the ping. Looks like a new infestation of tootyfruityRudy RINO bugs.
“Law and Order”??
Could you have been ANY LESS Subtle ???
LOL! I was thinking more of Richard Nixon when I wrote it than of Arthur Branch.
Nixon was way way way before my time. But what I know of him, I despise. And GW seems to have governed to the left of ol’ Dick too.
No Child Left Behind?
Medicare Part D?
The outrageous Highway to Pork bill?
Not any of the So-called Front Runners are acceptabel on the fiscal, government or social issues.
That is a simple fact.
They are the darlings of the media. But they won’t ever get beyond that 25% mark. And as Dobson has said... “we” won’t vote for them.
Period.
So, the rest of the Party needs to let go and go down the list and find one that we CAN and WILL vote for... or..
And get this...
OR...
Ya’ll are ALSO voting for a sure loser and throwing away YOUR vote.
It is that Simple. If one of the Media Four are indeed nominated... and outside some demonic inspired convention I do not see them actually winning it on the ground.... if any one of them is nominated... You’ve went and done another Bob Dole.
I won’t under any circumstances vote for a so called lessor evil. Because, my vote on this Earth is not what I am focused upon.
My treasure, my heart, my “result” is to hear “Well done good and faithful servant”.
And you vote for an evil... any evil... and you won’t hear well done... you will hear “Woe to those who call evil, good”.
I couldn’t be less concerned with the worldly results of some election, when I have an non worldly focus as my ultimate guide.
But, for those God haters who just are gnashing their teeth over what I just wrote, hey... You can throw away your vote for polls and media fantasy just the same as I can for my superstitious religion.
Bottom line is, if we do not agree, we both lose in this life, on this world, at this time... and I don’t give a flying fruit about this life, this world or this time.
Cheers!
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