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Federal judge says he needs more time to issue ruling on illegal immigration crackdown
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | October 2, 2007 | TOM RAGAN

Posted on 10/02/2007 9:21:30 PM PDT by neverdem

SAN FRANCISCO — A federal judge in San Francisco has delayed by 10 days a decision as to whether the federal government has the right to target employers of illegal immigrants.

After hearing arguments in the case Monday, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer said he needed more time to make a decision on a case that has national implications.

At issue is whether the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration have the right to force businesses to terminate employees whose Social Security numbers don't match up with those on record.

Last month, the AFL-CIO stopped the proposed crackdown when it successfully filed for a temporary restraining order on the basis that not only are there bureaucratic problems that could lead to the unlawful firing of legal workers — but that it could also usher in an atmosphere of discrimination among legitimate immigrant workers simply looking for jobs.

"This is just the latest move to use the Social Security system to start enforcing illegal immigration, and it's causing a lot of high anxiety among employers and employees," said Doug Keegan, program manager for the Watsonville-based Santa Cruz County Immigration Project. "Our No. 1 fear is that people are going to start to overreact. It's already happening"

Already, a few farmworkers, he said, have lost their jobs in Davenport by growers worried the field hands might be on the Social Security Administration's "No Match" list — hundreds of thousands of letters that are expected to be mailed out across the country if the temporary restraining order is lifted. Keenan said he did not know the names of the growers, and that he heard of the layoffs in a meeting he had with farmworkers.

Immigration hardliners, however, say that targeting businesses is the right answer — one that is long overdue. And if businesses are getting worried and getting rid of their illegal labor pool, then the effort already is serving its purpose.

"What, people think that people should be allowed to submit false information and get away with it? That's absurd," said Mark Krikorian, executive director for the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C. think tank. "It's self-evident that the Social Security Administration needs to demand that employers fix mistakes in Social Security numbers. Almost 90 percent of Americans already think it's being done. Go and tell somebody that this is a controversy in the courts, and they'll say, 'How can that be?'"

It is no secret that many undocumented workers buy fake Social Security numbers on the black market and that employers often accept them as genuine.

Regardless, "No Match" letters could have serious consequences in Santa Cruz County, where an estimated 20,000 undocumented workers toil in agriculture, construction and the hospitality industry, said Keegan.

He pointed to a recent raid carried out by Immigration and Customs Enforcement at a McDonald's in Reno as a bad example of how the federal government should be dealing with the problem of illegal immigration.

"Raids completely destabilize the work place," Keegan said.

What's worse is that there's nobody there to replace the workers who have been arrested and deported, said Benjamin Johnson, executive director for the Immigration Policy Center, another Washington, D.C. think tank.

"All of this is a Band-Aid solution to the problem," he said. "It doesn't work. We're trying to cobble together a solution one piece at a time instead of attacking the entire issue at hand. And there's no strategy to replace those workers who get caught up in these raids. For those who think the workers should be native born, I ask this: What's the strategy for replacing the illegal immigrants with native born or with legal workers? We're assuming that the jobs will get better and they'll be filled by legal workers, but we're not doing anything to fill them right now. This is the charade of the enforcement policy"

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Contact Tom Ragan at tragan@santacruzsentinel.com.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; charlesbreyer; clintonjudge; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 10/02/2007 9:21:47 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Whatta Buncha Nixons, all saying: “I AM NOT AN AMNESTY CROOK”
http://www.thearticlesofimpeachment.com/?p=9


2 posted on 10/02/2007 9:24:28 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: neverdem

One of the “quoted” experts asks what the “strategy” is for replacing illegal workers who are apprehended. SIMPLE: Hire people who are legally in the country. If that means you have to pay more in wages, well I guess my Big Mac will cost a few cents more.

Los Angeles spends a BILLION dollars a year on just some of the costs associated with illegal aliens. (That figure includes health care and prisons. It does not include education, etc.)

That is one county in one state (albeit with a huge underground economy staffed by illegal and exploited workers).

Americans can’t afford to pay low end jobs at a higher level? That’s the best argument pro-amnesty forces can muster? Sheesh.


3 posted on 10/02/2007 9:31:44 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: neverdem
"A federal judge in San Francisco has delayed by 10 days a decision as to whether the federal government has the right to target employers of illegal immigrants."

That's a no brainer, they are breaking the law.

But, this is a SF judge...

4 posted on 10/02/2007 9:42:39 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: bajabaja
"Americans can’t afford to pay low end jobs at a higher level? That’s the best argument pro-amnesty forces can muster? Sheesh."

Aren't these the same people who run around crying about low wages and the need for higher min. wages? Typical liberal idiocy.

5 posted on 10/02/2007 9:46:00 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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Good point. The fact that the illegal immigrants are breaking the law does not seem to register.


6 posted on 10/02/2007 9:48:33 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: neverdem

This is definitely something to watch...either way, someones going to be pissed off!


7 posted on 10/02/2007 10:07:33 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: neverdem
Federal judge says he needs more time to issue ruling on illegal immigration crackdown

In other words he's having a hard time finding hoop holes so he can rule against enforcing the law as written.

It isn't always easy being dense as uranium brick...
8 posted on 10/02/2007 10:11:26 PM PDT by RedMonqey ( The truth is never PC)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

If I decided to use my buddies SS# tommrow,...guess what!?...I would be in trouble!

But apparently the rules only apply to Americans!?


9 posted on 10/02/2007 10:11:28 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: RedMonqey

He’s Stephen Breyers brother....I’m not hoping for much in this. I’m assuming this will all depend on the Supreme Court and even there we’re not guaranteeded.

We’ll see....I suppose. Soon.


10 posted on 10/02/2007 10:13:51 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the link.


11 posted on 10/02/2007 10:15:26 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Rick_Michael

i would recommend going to mexico with some cash sneaking back over getting a zvisa (once the bills pass) then getting a temp id and all that jazz but then “stealing” your SS. You’ll enjoy your assets and old home all tax free and without any law enforcement problems. /sarc (for now..sigh)


12 posted on 10/02/2007 10:21:32 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
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To: neverdem
Just my opinion but. Destabilization of the workplace started when employers started hiring illegals instead of legal citizens because they could get them to work for less money.

I don't want to hear their petty excuses about not know they were hiring illegals. They damn well know that they are. Now they are complaining about their workers being taken into custody. These employers want amnesty so they can keep their low cost labor. IMHO they should all be thrown in jail. Both the illegals and the employers.

Some say we can't deport all of them. Well, stop their paychecks and see what happens. The illegals came here for one reason. MONEY. When the flow of money ends they will go home.

Some say they won't leave our country peacefully. If the invaders want a fight I imagine they can get one.

I for one don't patronize businesses that hire illegals. Won't hire one myself. Don't want to be their neighbor. Don't want to be their friend. We don't need them here. We, as a country, were doing fine before 10 to 20 million came here and will do just fine if all of the leave.

13 posted on 10/02/2007 10:48:26 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: neverdem

This weeks' sign that the APOCALYPSE IS UPON US:

A liberal activist judge legislating from the bench has decided that enforcing existing immigration laws is not a good idea because in his learned and scholarly impartial legal opinion....

He thinks the law is silly and the legislators who passed it are just poopyfaces.


14 posted on 10/02/2007 11:02:16 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: neverdem

Bump


15 posted on 10/02/2007 11:16:02 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: neverdem

Bump


16 posted on 10/02/2007 11:16:10 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: neverdem

Without any further legal analysis: that’ll go to the Supreme Court.

It can NOT be true that the States/principalities submit bills for expenses incurred for illegal aliens to the FedGov, and then turn around and suggest that the FedGov’s efforts to combat illegal immigration is unconstitutional.

I’m voting on overthrown. I offer 3-5 odds (any takers)?


17 posted on 10/02/2007 11:34:08 PM PDT by raygun (There's no real cause for concern; you're never more than 6 feet away from some kind of spider.)
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To: Rick_Michael
/He?s Stephen Breyers brother..../

Oh really? Wow!

Guess there's not much chance he'll recuse himself from the case.......

Nah!!! That's only when there's a possible conservative conflict of interest

(Doh!!)
18 posted on 10/02/2007 11:34:16 PM PDT by RedMonqey ( The truth is never PC)
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To: jerry639
"Just my opinion but. Destabilization of the workplace started when employers started hiring illegals instead of legal citizens because they could get them to work for less money.".

Absolutely!

19 posted on 10/02/2007 11:41:54 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: raygun
It can NOT be true that the States/principalities submit bills for expenses incurred for illegal aliens to the FedGov, and then turn around and suggest that the FedGov’s efforts to combat illegal immigration is unconstitutional.

Great catch!!! That's besides the Homeland Security implications that need serious consideration and all the crime they seem to commit. That's just a start.

20 posted on 10/02/2007 11:52:59 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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