Posted on 10/01/2007 4:02:13 PM PDT by lowbridge
As I recall, the state of California insists that gays be given the same chance as others to adopt children. In fact, I understand the Archdiocese of San Francisco has even worked out a deal so its employees can help facilitate gay adoptions. So perhaps the little tykes (no pun intended) were adopted through Catholic Charities.
Moving from WI to SFO doesn’t make you a refugee (twin sons of different mothers, that).
I say stock up on everything from New Glarus and ride it out...
Tell me again, what did Britney do wrong with her kids, that these queer “parents” haven’t also done, that she has no right to her own kids, and these gay guys have right to somebody else’s kids?
Not that I’m saying Britney is a fit mother, but at least she didn’t take them to an S&M fair, dressed in dog collars!
Agreed. Has the world been turned upside down?
There are laws about endangering children, too. But I guess those aren't enforced, either.
Right on! I am not even sure, being San FranFreakshow, if there are such laws there. This is Pelosi’s district after all.
Sick, perverted and SAD.
My first question in Heaven will be “WHY are little children given to people who don’t deserve them?” The IVF or artificial insemination should not have worked for those two “dads”.
I know, I know. It rains on the evil and the just.
Per your link -
Investors - “WTF???!!!”
Board of Directors - “Uh oh!”
;-)
Thanks!
Who said I want to punish anyone? I simply stated that I won’t subsidize bad behavior. Have you not read that God loves all sinners and does not want even one to perish?
I imagine Jesus would walk among these sinners. He would teach and heal. Some would mock and threaten Him. Others would fall before Him and beg forgiveness. You might remember he said to the woman caught in adultery (to paraphrase) You are forgiven, go and sin no more.
And I’m not playing God. Are you? You take the word of the Lord and you seem to claim the ability to act as His equal (WWJD). I proclaim I am among the least worthy of His servants and only justified through Him.
I pray to Him and confess my lack of understanding. When He answers in His own time I am amazed by His answers and I realize there is no way they could come from my own understanding.
I am not worthy to fasten His sandal strap. I could baptize you in water, He would baptize you in fire and the Holy Spirit.
There is still a question you never answered. You have already stated people should continue to buy Miller products if they are offered. If you knowingly give material support to this event are you not also guilty of the sins that you KNOW will occur? Whether buying a product from a company who sponsors this event, or knowingly buying stolen goods from career criminals, is the purchaser not also a partner in the guilt of the sin committed? Please share your wisdom. I am curious to read your defense of your Christian Advice -(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1904059/posts?page=16#16)
If I am wrong in my understanding I welcome correction in Jesus’ name.
GB
> And I’m not playing God. Are you? You take the word of the Lord and you seem to claim the ability to act as His equal (WWJD). I proclaim I am among the least worthy of His servants and only justified through Him.
My FRiend, I am certainly not Our Lord’s equal, but He does expect me to follow His example, and to do my very best effort. As He does with you.
We are to strive to be like Him. That, Bro Grizzled Bear, it the stuff and essence of Discipleship.
Speaking personally, I struggle with that alot: more often than not I am like St Thomas, or St Peter, or St James and St John: that is to say, perhaps sometimes on the right track but way wide of the mark.
I trust only that I may never be like Judas: but that propensity lurks within each of us, ay. The propensity to Betray Jesus for filthy lucre or personal gain.
We each gotta watch carefully against that one, ay!
> There is still a question you never answered. You have already stated people should continue to buy Miller products if they are offered. If you knowingly give material support to this event are you not also guilty of the sins that you KNOW will occur?
It’s a fair question and you are right, I haven’t answered it. I view it much the same way as St Paul viewed meat that was sacrificed to Idols: some followers found it wrong to partake, and for them it would have been wrong to do so, for the reasons of Conscience that they gave.
Others found it OK to partake, and for them it would have been wrong to obstain, for the reasons of Conscience that they gave.
The message from that passage (sorry, I don’t have my Volume of Sacred Law handy) is that sometimes we must be guided by our Conscience and be willing to be judged by the standards that we have knowingly adopted, thereby. If these standards be Principled, then we are expected to adhere to those principles or stand guilty of breaching them.
Recall that St Peter faced a similar predicament when faced with the vision of all animals, clean and unclean, and was invited to “arise, kill and eat” (it’s early in the Acts of the Apostles). Recall St Peter’s response to that invitation, and God’s rebuke. Shortly after, St Peter baptized Cornelius and his household: Romans and gentiles all...
Like you I welcome the discussion and am wide open to correction on these matters.
Anyone who knows me will know that I am not a perfect Follower — for that matter, I’m not even a “pretty good” one. For example, I have no compunctions about using force in defense of another or of myself: I will never be the aggressor but as a defender I will take it as far as it needs to go, decisively — yet no further.
So that makes my earlier comments on “turning the other cheek” rather interesting, ay — because that definitely does not quite mesh with what Our Lord probably had in mind...
Still on the Journey, and still learning. I am a Sheepdog, not a sheep. Somehow, I am hoping Our Shepherd needs both.
In Christ
DieHard
I moved to FL...not SFO...and I moved because I was fleeing oppressive WI taxation and government...I think that fact makes me a refugee...
New Glarus...an excellent idea!
Refugee it is! Sorry...I must not have been reading clearly.
Freep mail PJ-Comix, he’s in FLA and has made suggestions for local microbrews in the past.
If you ever need to look up a verse while on your computer I recommend this site - http://www.biblegateway.com
It’s got multiple translations and a very good search engine.
Although I understand your reasoning I still stand firm that I will not donate (even indirectly) to this function (the Folsom Street Fair, SF) for the much the same reason I will not donate to Planned Parenthood.
However; should I ever have the opportunity I would gladly do as a Christian group did about two years ago. They went to one of these functions, set up a booth and proclaimed the Word while giving away chilled bottles of water. They received mixed results. I’m sure they planted plenty of seeds that day.
IIRC correctly; the passages you referred to implied that they ate with the pagans and exhorted them to put their faith upon Jesus. It was the meat of clean animals. That is far different than if they supported pagan temples by purchasing the meat and taking it home or making retail purchases that supported the pagan temples when their were other choices.
Does this sound likely?
In Jesus’ name
GB
ping
> Thanks for being civil! I hope I haven’t behaved too unfriendly.
My FRiend, Christians should have, as a baseline expectation, civil behavior — most particularly between each other. If we haven’t done that, we were obviously playing Hookey during some of our Sunday School classes...
Our discussions together have been robust and certainly Civil: I enjoy vigorous debate and you have defended your side of the debate vigorously and well, with good solidly-reasoned arguments. So Goodonya!
I have often wondered about the NT, and the prominence afforded to St Paul (who may not have been at the crucifixion and may not have met Jesus whilst He was mortal (tho’ I believe he did both). It is clear from those writers who *were* Disciples (Paul wasn’t — he was only an Apostle, and only because St Luke said so) that St Peter was to be the stone...
...anyrate I ramble. You also write:
> Although I understand your reasoning I still stand firm that I will not donate (even indirectly) to this function (the Folsom Street Fair, SF) for the much the same reason I will not donate to Planned Parenthood.
As I’d see that, you would do so as a matter of Conscience and Conviction: this is a standard against which you are quite willing to be judged. Accordingly, it will be so. You are taking a principled stance, and you will be judged by these principles. You have drawn a clear line in the sand across which you have decided not to step. Good.
Recall what Our Lord wrote about the Pharisees and Sadducees, when it talked about taxing Mint and Cumin, and ignoring the weightier matters of the Law. (Again, I don’t have my VSL handy.) Because that is the obvious trap that arises from line-in-the-sand stances such as these.
That said, the real lesson for us is to not ignore the weightier matters of the Law.
> IIRC correctly; the passages you referred to implied that they ate with the pagans and exhorted them to put their faith upon Jesus. It was the meat of clean animals.
As the meat was sacrificed to idols, it is doubtful that it would have met any of the cleanliness standards prescribed by the OT in the Law of Moses.
Recall that St Peter was also exhorted not to call “unclean” that which God had now called “clean” — so obviously a new set of rules were in place once Gentiles were to be welcomed into Gods Chosen People.
In my personal view, God is not going to give us a Pop-Quiz or even an End-Term Exam when we leave this existence and begin our next.
We will not be asked the technicalities of this-law-or-that-law: we would if the Pharisees had been allowed to call he shots, but we know that God had other ideas in mind.
No, we will instead, I believe, be held up the the standard that Jesus set for us. We are told as much, in words that are very hard to ignore: “insomuch as you have done these things for these, my Bretheren, you have done them for me.” (Paraphrase, again my VSL is not handy).
We are to be held up for close examination, to see if Christ can see His reflection in us. Did we do as He did? Did we apply His example?
We are not going to be asked how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin. Christ will look instead at our hearts and to our conduct. Were we truly Followers of Him, or did we merely pay lip service while observing the formalities?
To me, it all boils down to these central questions.
*DieHard*
Disgusting.
ah yes the cage...but this wasnt a hate act ...no no no
chokes.
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