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To: america4vr
Well, I'm all for any one, any group striving to be model citizens of the USA..
I would never harbor any preconceived notions about any group who are deemed model citizens but always the lingering feelings of ambiguity make the issue of Muslims as model citizens a point of contention.

I'm not totally convinced as to what their ultimate aspirations are. Just as Jews are portrayed as being duplicitous about their loyalties to Israel versus the USA, so, too, Muslims might always be regarded with suspicion as a fifth column.

I don't know. The lack of any emphatic, enthusiastic denouncement of terror, the ubiquitous statement of but, under certain circumstances that always rears its ugly head whenever a Muslim condemns terror but never does so unequivocally, without qualification, remains a sore point in embracing Muslims as fellow citizens.

Do they really support the concept of democracy, of religious tolerance towards others? Their record across the globe proves otherwise.

14 posted on 10/01/2007 4:00:00 AM PDT by america4vr
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To: america4vr
Kudos on a balanced post (this is an opinion, people--to 'all').
19 posted on 10/01/2007 4:07:04 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: america4vr
I'm not totally convinced as to what their ultimate aspirations are."

Try reading their Koran and hadith. Listen to what's being preached in Mosks, read the declaration issued by CAIR.

And if you still aren't convinced, God help you.

25 posted on 10/01/2007 4:28:17 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: america4vr
Do they really support the concept of democracy, of religious tolerance towards others?

Democracy and religious tolerance are antithetical to Islam. Islam, with Shari'a law, is governance unto itself. All Muslims must strive via jihad to establish total Islamic belief in their community. Non muslims are infidels to be slain or subjugated; peaceful coexistence is NOT an option for a Kuran believing Muslim. Sunnis Muslims must slay Shiite Muslims, and vice versa, since the opposite members are heretics.

The patience of the Muslims is tempered by their escalating "reasonable" demands for capitulation, e.g., head scarves followed by full body and face burkas, elimination of pork products, foot baths, community calls to prayer over public address systems, and finally adoption of Shari'a.

Muslims do not adapt to the community. It is the Terminator Cult - you cannot use logic or reason with it, and it will not stop until you and your heathen culture are DEAD!

35 posted on 10/01/2007 5:27:40 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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