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Ahmadinejad walks away with a win
LA Times/ AP ^ | September 29, 2007 | Tim Rutten

Posted on 09/30/2007 9:37:09 AM PDT by saganite

His Columbia engagement gives him what he wants -- legitimacy -- and his hosts look rude to Islamic eyes.

One of the world's truly dangerous men, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, left New York a clear winner this week, and he can thank the arrogance of the American academy and most of the U.S. news media's studied indifference for his victory.

If the blood-drenched history of the century just past had taught American academics one thing, it should have been that the totalitarian impulse knows no accommodation with reason. You cannot change the totalitarian mind through dialogue or conversation, because totalitarianism -- however ingenious the superstructure of faux ideas with which it surrounds itself -- is a creature of the will and not the mind. That's a large lesson, but what should have made Ahmadinejad's appearance at Columbia University this week a wholly avoidable debacle was the school's knowledge of its own, very specific history.

In the 1930s, Columbia was run by Nicholas Murray Butler, to whose name a special sort of infamy attaches. Butler was an outspoken admirer of Italian fascism and of its leader, Benito Mussolini. The Columbia president, who also was in the forefront of Ivy League efforts to restrict Jewish enrollment, worked tirelessly to build ties between his school and Italian universities, as well as with the powerful fascist student organizations. At one point, a visiting delegation of 350 ardent young Black Shirts serenaded Butler with the fascist anthem.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; columbiau; iranwot
Not what you think. A good read.
1 posted on 09/30/2007 9:37:11 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite
Shame on our President as well; who never even tried to communicate; what Ahmadinejad needed to hear re his 'nuke' program; et al.
2 posted on 09/30/2007 9:40:34 AM PDT by cricket
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To: Tolik

for your consideration as a “nailed it”


3 posted on 09/30/2007 9:40:40 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: saganite
It turn out that Columbia U professor Joseph Massad said the exact same thing about gays in Arab world. Anyway, since he hates jews, far-left gay crowd loves him.

No Homosexuals in the Arab World

Oh, and the author/professor is Joseph Massad, whose name has come up in this blog many times before because of his "creative" scholarship, such as claiming that the movie "Exodus tells the story of the Zionist hijacking of a ship from Cyprus to Palestine by a Zionist Haganah commander." (As I've noted previously, this is analogous to saying that Schindler's List was a movie about Jews taking a working vacation in Poland.)

Massad, of course, is a current darling of the far Left, because friends of Israel have raised questions regarding his alleged discrimination against Israeli students and pro-Israel students, and about his scholarship.

4 posted on 09/30/2007 9:42:06 AM PDT by nordicstan
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To: saganite
Aside from spinning the title from Columbia loses in disgrace to some islamo "win," not bad.
5 posted on 09/30/2007 9:42:39 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: saganite
After being duped by the Bush administration into helping pave the way for the disastrous war in Iraq, few in the American media now are willing to take the Iran problem on because they don't want to be complicit in another military misadventure.

Yeah. I remember how the American media was so helpful in paving the way for the war in Iraq.

6 posted on 09/30/2007 9:42:47 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: saganite

writer is rutten, not Stephen Chernin......since this is the LAT, you probably should correct it


7 posted on 09/30/2007 9:45:03 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Tolik

... with a caveat. His last swing of the hammer in the next to last paragraph bent the nail. “Duped” indeed - anyone with a lick of sense would realize that dealing with Iraq was a necessary precursor to dealing with Iran.


8 posted on 09/30/2007 9:46:33 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Maceman

It contains the obligatory leftist disclaimers. However, it seems the author recognizes Ahmadinejad for what he is.


9 posted on 09/30/2007 9:47:25 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite
"If the blood-drenched history of the century just past had taught American academics one thing, it should have been that the totalitarian impulse knows no accommodation with reason. You cannot change the totalitarian mind through dialogue or conversation, because totalitarianism -- however ingenious the superstructure of faux ideas with which it surrounds itself -- is a creature of the will and not the mind."

If the blood drenched history of the past six years has taught honest people just one thing, it should have been that the Leftist impulse knows no accommodation to reason, You cannot change the Leftist mind through dialogue or conversation, because Leftism - however ingenious the superstructure of faux ideas with which it surrounds itself - is a creature of the will and not the mind.


10 posted on 09/30/2007 9:48:14 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Kind of confusing as to who wrote it at the site. I’ll pm the mod.


11 posted on 09/30/2007 9:48:57 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite
Bump. Bollinger criticized Ahmadinejad for Holocaust denial, yet the most egregious crimes were left out. The killing of our own troops.
12 posted on 09/30/2007 9:53:20 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ("If you think health-care is expensive, wait 'til it's free" - Dick Armey, Former Majority Leader)
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To: cricket
"Shame on our President as well; who never even tried to communicate; what Ahmadinejad needed to hear re his 'nuke' program; et al"

Easy to lie when you think everyone else is in on it. The more blatant the better, yeah?


13 posted on 09/30/2007 9:59:56 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands

Seems Columbia has a history of this

At one point, a visiting delegation of 350 ardent young
Black Shirts serenaded Butler with the fascist anthem.

Butler also was keen to establish connections with Nazi Germany and its universities. In 1933, he invited Hans Luther, Adolf Hitler’s ambassador to the United States, to lecture on the Columbia campus. Luther stressed Hitler’s “peaceful intentions” toward his European neighbors, and, afterward, Butler gave a reception in his honor. As the emissary of “a friendly people,” Luther was “entitled to be received with the greatest courtesy and respect,” the Columbia president said at the time.


14 posted on 09/30/2007 10:10:20 AM PDT by saganite
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To: I see my hands

No doubt we agree. ..(but not sure which button on ‘tiny pics’ you are referring to ;^). . .)


15 posted on 09/30/2007 2:07:34 PM PDT by cricket
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To: saganite

I personally didn’t understand why some in our country would allow a bunch of liberal academia types set the tone for how we will be perceived by the Islamic world. I think they behaved very badly. They are very unrefined in their behavior, and it’s ashame that a terrorist now gets to think we are rude. This could have consequences in future terrorist attacks, we don’t need to go out of our way to provide motivation. I just think it was irresponsible how the situation went down. Now that I have gotten that off my chest, I am going to go back and read the article.


16 posted on 09/30/2007 2:12:25 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma
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To: Maceman
The Military 'misadventure' of course . ..was largely constructed and contained by the Left and willing MSM accomplices.

Daresay; had the Left fought as hard 'for' our Military and our Country as they have fought against our Country; and against our Military. . .their Commander-in-Chief; we might have had this war under control more easily and in a more timely fashion. There would be far fewer terrorists rising. . .for sure.

17 posted on 09/30/2007 2:14:01 PM PDT by cricket
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To: cricket
It's certain we do not agree. I wasn't referring to a button.

18 posted on 09/30/2007 5:02:05 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands
It's certain we do not agree. I wasn't referring to a button.

I cannot see where we disagree and if it is worth it; perhaps you could be more specific. . .if not less cryptic.

But perhaps the density here is mine(?). . .

19 posted on 09/30/2007 6:37:42 PM PDT by cricket
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