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NYC cabbies lose court battle over GPS
yahoonews ^ | 9/28/07 | LARRY NEUMEISTER

Posted on 09/29/2007 11:45:54 AM PDT by ricks_place

NEW YORK - A federal judge refused Friday to block a new city rule that requires taxi drivers to install global positioning systems and credit card machines in their cabs by Monday.

The drivers argue that the city overstepped its authority and acted unconstitutionally when it mandated the units. Their lawsuit also claims GPS will give away trade secrets by disclosing the cabbies' driving patterns, which they say give them a competitive edge.

U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman refused to block the rule from taking effect, saying the use of the technology to improve taxi service appeared to outweigh drivers' privacy rights. He urged the two sides to negotiate and set the next hearing for Oct. 10.

Malcolm Goldstein, a lawyer for the taxi drivers, said the case is among the first to confront GPS issues.

"The record has to be developed yet. We're saying GPS is remarkably intrusive, more intrusive than anything before. It's our burden to persuade him," Goldstein said.

Michael Cardozo, the head of the city's law office, called the decision a "satisfying legal victory — and a victory for all taxi passengers who will enjoy the benefits of these service improvements."

Taxi and Limousine Commissioner Matthew W. Daus said he hoped the ruling "allows us to continue to advance and progress without distraction or delay."

Berman said that on the limited amount of evidence he had viewed so far, it did not appear the drivers would succeed in claims that the city acted improperly, caused them "severe and debilitating economic harm" and prevented them from earning their livelihood.

At an earlier hearing on Wednesday, Berman had expressed skepticism toward the drivers' arguments, saying, "It's not a Mona Lisa painting. It's a car."

After that hearing, dejected driver Beres Ford Simmons said: "Gentlemen, prepare for another strike."

Hundreds of drivers idled their cabs for a two-day protest of the GPS technology in early September. More than 13,000 yellow cabs must be equipped with GPS and software that record where the cars are every eight seconds or the drivers could face fines. The group leading that strike called it a "resounding success," while city officials said disruption was minimal.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cabbies; gps; nais; nyc; privacy; rfid
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1 posted on 09/29/2007 11:45:58 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place
Their lawsuit also claims GPS will give away trade secrets by disclosing the cabbies' driving patterns, which they say give them a competitive edge.

A New York City cabbie once too me from Tribeca to the Village via Jersey City.I guess he had that "competitive edge".

2 posted on 09/29/2007 11:51:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You don’t take the Holland Tunnel from Times Square to the Empire State Building?


3 posted on 09/29/2007 11:53:49 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Gay State Conservative

He didn’t charge you full fare, did he??


4 posted on 09/29/2007 11:53:53 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: ricks_place
once too = once took
5 posted on 09/29/2007 11:54:01 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: ricks_place
GPS will give away trade secrets by disclosing the cabbies' driving patterns

No more unscheduled guided (but silent) tours I take it.

6 posted on 09/29/2007 11:55:48 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Ken522
He didn’t charge you full fare, did he??

Yup.Demanded a tip too.

7 posted on 09/29/2007 11:56:40 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: Yo-Yo
You don’t take the Holland Tunnel from Times Square to the Empire State Building?

No,usually we do that via Levittown.

8 posted on 09/29/2007 12:00:01 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: ricks_place

I think their trade secret is driving 75 mph down Broadway.


9 posted on 09/29/2007 12:01:14 PM PDT by SolitaryMan (Two types of ships...Submarines and Targets Visit http://www.testdepthmedia.com)
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To: ricks_place
A federal judge refused Friday to block a new city rule that requires taxi drivers to install global positioning systems and credit card machines in their cabs by Monday.

Are the cabbies services in NYC under contract with the city?

If so, chin up bucko's and accept it, if not it's none of the city's business what they put in their vehicles IMO.

10 posted on 09/29/2007 12:05:52 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Demanded a tip too.

Demanded?

He's just trying to smooth you with sweet talk to get a bigger tip! LOL!

11 posted on 09/29/2007 12:08:08 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Gay State Conservative
When I fly into either LGA of JFK on business, I inevitably get approached by a number of unlicensed greasy-haired limo drivers offering to take me into the city for $20 or less.

Since the cabbies charge $35 or so and I travel fairly light on business trips, I decided I'd give my first one a try several years ago. The kids that drive these limos at least appear to be American (white or black) and speak English. Yeah, I shared the limo with a couple of other riders and looking to save a buck and, yeah, the driver wasn't too happy when I didn't tip him (our deal was $20, not $20 plus tips I told him), but he actually drove better and was more courteous than your standard third world driver.

I got a receipt on a form that looks like one of those generic forms purchased in an office supply store and I learned (perhaps the driver's version) that NYC taxi licensing system is much like the prostitution trade-- the city has a limited number of medallions (licenses) supposedly sold to individuals, but the big operators (pimps) buy the licenses and hire the drivers as cheaply as possible. So by using an unlicensed limo, I was helping circumvent the system. Plus I get to pick a limo driver which at least looks respectable.

12 posted on 09/29/2007 12:08:26 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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After that hearing, dejected driver Beres Ford Simmons said: "Gentlemen, prepare for another strike."

Takes brains....

13 posted on 09/29/2007 12:09:24 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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When I fly into either LGA ofor JFK on business . . .

Sorry.

14 posted on 09/29/2007 12:10:47 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: EGPWS
Are the cabbies services in NYC under contract with the city?

For being allowed to pick up passengers from the street, cabs in NYC must be licensed by the city, which may put whatever conditions on the license that it sees fit. Private limo services, which are called to where their passengers are, would not be so regulated

15 posted on 09/29/2007 12:11:25 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: EGPWS
The New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission regulates service. It limits the number of vehicles by issuing “medallions”, a license to operate in NYC and promulgates rules by law.
16 posted on 09/29/2007 12:14:22 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: SauronOfMordor
If anyone's curious...

NYC Taxi and Limousine Commission Medallion Sale Information

17 posted on 09/29/2007 12:14:24 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: EGPWS
No all Cab drivers are independent contractors. They buy a Medallion from the Taxi Commission to do business.
18 posted on 09/29/2007 12:14:34 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: SauronOfMordor
For being allowed to pick up passengers from the street, cabs in NYC must be licensed by the city, which may put whatever conditions on the license that it sees fit.

Well, they need to take their services to another city for peace of mind or work to change the municipal requirements politically.

19 posted on 09/29/2007 12:19:02 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ricks_place
A federal judge refused Friday to block a new city rule that requires taxi drivers to install global positioning systems and credit card machines in their cabs by Monday. . . . He urged the two sides to negotiate and set the next hearing for Oct. 10.

Can someone explain to me the federal issue involved here?

The only excuse I can see for taking this to federal court is that taxis sometimes cross state lines. Or maybe it is a federal case because NASA was involved in putting GPS in orbit.

20 posted on 09/29/2007 12:21:16 PM PDT by Logophile
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