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To: TomGuy

It’s sad that comments here so frivilously disregard the Rules of Engagement and associated military codes. Shooting unarmed, non-threatening civilians is dishonorable from a moral and military perspective.

To support men like this is a slap in the face to the men and women who are serving honorably and to the high standards of the United States armed services in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite the incredible pressure and danger upon them.

Shame on you, comment section.


29 posted on 09/28/2007 6:38:37 AM PDT by SomeReasonableDude (Back it up.)
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To: SomeReasonableDude
My comment was sarcasm, thus the [/s] indicator.

But, at the rate things are going, who knows.

There were reports, after the Abu Grahib scandal, that guards’ ammo was changed from real to rubber bullets.

[Imagine guarding the worst of the worst terrorists and being only armed with rubber bullets. Our military guards were.]

32 posted on 09/28/2007 6:46:49 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SomeReasonableDude; RedRover; Old Sarge
Shame on you, comment section.

YOU obviously don't know the case.

You tell us.....what are the ROEs for SNIPERS in Iraq?

You tell us.....what are Sgt Hensley's comments on these episodes?

You tell us....was one of the shootings against a man who had just been witnessed running from an attack on Americans?

You tell us....were these men taught to "bait" targets?

35 posted on 09/28/2007 6:50:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: SomeReasonableDude

“To support men like this is a slap in the face to the men and women who are serving honorably and to the high standards of the United States armed services in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite the incredible pressure and danger upon them.”

These men are ordered to go out and agressively target the enemy. The enemy does not wear a uniform, it hides behind children and women. It even will wear womens clothes in a culture that makes that practice extremely degrading. This enemy will turn children into suicide bombers; it has killed dozens of kids to kill 1 or 2 Americans.

The dead guy was a known enemy. The soldier may have placed the demo cord there but if he did it does not change that it was a righteous shoot. How is it shameful to kill your enemy?


36 posted on 09/28/2007 7:00:10 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: SomeReasonableDude
Shame on you, comment section.

The shame is on people like you who do not give our troops the benefit of the doubt, who pronounce them guilty even when military courts do not.

Who in this case was found guilty of "shooting unarmed, non-threatening civilians"?

No one.

So why did you assert something that wasn't true?

39 posted on 09/28/2007 7:29:34 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: SomeReasonableDude

Please do us all a favor and read up on the information discussed before chiming in with your indignant outrage. Otherwise you just sound plain silly.


46 posted on 09/28/2007 8:39:51 AM PDT by Chickenhawk Warmonger (The Media Lied & Soldiers Died)
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To: SomeReasonableDude

Shooting unarmed, non-threatening civilians is dishonorable from a moral and military perspective.

... Shame on you, comment section.

Nice leap there dude ... glad people like you aren't in charge in the war zone.

Oh, wait, that's the problem, isn't it.

51 posted on 09/28/2007 9:27:46 AM PDT by tx_eggman (ManBearPig '08)
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To: SomeReasonableDude
To support men like this is a slap in the face to the men and women who are serving honorably

It is clear you have shown your ignorance of this event or are a moonbat troll. Before making statements like those in your post learn more of the event and you may not sound so silly.

54 posted on 09/28/2007 10:02:49 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: SomeReasonableDude

Perhaps you should do a little more research on the case. One of the “civilians” was a terrorist who was running from and attack on Americans and picked up a rusty sickle to appear to be a farmer. He was watched by drones.


97 posted on 09/30/2007 7:31:17 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: SomeReasonableDude
It’s sad that comments here so frivilously disregard the Rules of Engagement and associated military codes. Shooting unarmed, non-threatening civilians is dishonorable from a moral and military perspective.

One little problem with such high morals is that the other side does not share them. They *never* wear uniforms, so *always* are indistinguishable from civilians. In fact they hide among civilians, using them as human shields. They usually don't even shoot at our troops when the troops can see them, instead they plant roadside bombs and detonate them from "civilian" houses and shops, all the while having no visible weapons and appearing quite "non-threatening".

So just how do you propose to deal with such enemy tactics. Let 'em kill your buddies before you can go after them, and then only if you catch 'em in the act?

This particular case is just crazy, if Sgt. Sandoval was not guilty of murder in the shooting, does that not imply that the shooting was justified under the ROE? Which in turn implies that the targets were insurgents, or acting sufficiently like them in a war zone to justify shooting them. So the Sandoval is guilty not of a cover up of murder, since he was justified in shooting them, but of trying to avoid the very thing which indeed happened, being accused of killing them without justification. The real justification not being something obvious to an after the fact investigation.

107 posted on 10/03/2007 1:56:21 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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