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To: Dr. Frank fan
Again, if OBL really is alive, there's no law of physics which prohibits him from altering his location and EVEN from exiting BOTH Pakistan and Afghanistan. I'm always amazed and how many people (people who profess to believe OBL is a living human being) seem to never even contemplate the metaphysical possibility that OBL could be somewhere other than Afghanistan and/or Pakistan. Human beings are not landmarks. They can move! Best,

Sure one can move - But it would be foolish for one to move from there area in which he is most likely to remain alive - (UBL has never put himself in position to be used as a pawn by some Cent Gov't - Those who think Iran or Yemen are simply off).

Again, there are a great number of HVT we have been after since 01 - (we've killed apprx half dozen of these Taliban HVTs in the past 8 months alone...after chasing them for 5 years....Did they not exist?). Reality is, in the short term all the intangibles favored AQ/Taliban HVTs to remain with our OODA loop (especially when one understands risk adverse HQs and JAGs into the equation).

17 posted on 09/26/2007 7:26:00 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
But it would be foolish for one to move from there area in which he is most likely to remain alive

1. OBL can't be foolish? he can't do something foolish or less than optimal? (?) You're really making the argument "it can't be true that Osama did X because X would be foolish for Osama to do"? Human beings do lots of foolish things. "X would be foolish!" is not a good argument at all that some human didn't do X. All other things being equal it actually makes it more likely that the human did X ;-)

2. How does he know which area exactly is the precise one "in which he is most likely to remain alive"? If he's stayed alive all this time, maybe he's only done so because he's moved around. Maybe he attributes his survival to the ability to move around. In that case... why I reckon he'd move around!

(UBL has never put himself in position to be used as a pawn by some Cent Gov't - Those who think Iran or Yemen are simply off).

See, this is the kind of argument that is just completely unconvincing. You claim to some intimate knowledge of OBL's life history and then sweepingly proclaim that it's "simply off" to say that he could do such-and-such in the future. That is not a real argument; that is not real supporting evidence/data you have just supplied me. It's a thinly-cloaked appeal to authority (yours); you're an authority on what OBL Would Or Would Not Do. Therefore, if I say "maybe he did X", you don't have to have evidence either way regarding whether he did X, you just consult your own Expertise on what OBL Would Or Would Not Do, and tell me your answer ("simply off").

Not convincing.

And the expertise you implicitly claim to have doesn't even go to my actual claim in the first place. For one thing, I never suggested that if OBL were in Yemen or Iran or somewhere, he would be doing so with the cooperation of those respective governments.

(we've killed apprx half dozen of these Taliban HVTs in the past 8 months alone...after chasing them for 5 years....Did they not exist?).

No. Of course they existed. And I think OBL existed too! never said otherwise. But also I think he's dead (something I never claimed any of those other HVTs in the first place.) That's what I think. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - I freely admit it's possible that I'm wrong, and if I were proved wrong, I'd say so. But it would take actual evidence to convince me of this.

Reality is, in the short term all the intangibles favored AQ/Taliban HVTs to remain with our OODA loop (especially when one understands risk adverse HQs and JAGs into the equation).

That's true. Yes, any HVT hiding in those places has an advantage over us.

This isn't convincing evidence that OBL draws breath however.

20 posted on 09/26/2007 7:40:21 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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