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This piece is not so much about Ron Paul than about the importance of civil, reasoned debate, which in some instances appears sorely lacking, especially on Ron Paul threads...
1 posted on 09/26/2007 11:45:29 AM PDT by traviskicks
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Congressman Ron Paul Archives...

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39 posted on 09/26/2007 12:45:49 PM PDT by gunnyg
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My Boston Terrier,while admittedly on the gassy side, is more trustworthy to guard my house than Ron.


42 posted on 09/26/2007 12:51:30 PM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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Ron Paul threads...
50 posted on 09/26/2007 1:06:03 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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Ron Paul 2008!

Why are those in power so afraid?

1)Abolish FRB
2)Abolish IRS
3)Get US out of UN-UN out of US
4)Abolish extra-constitutional government departments.

There is no other candidate from either party who even comes close.

52 posted on 09/26/2007 1:07:29 PM PDT by hschliemann
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Only 20% of america (mostly liberal code-pinko types) believe in “just coming home.” He doesn’t even believe in a gradual pullout, but cutting and running immediately. The vast majority of the american people do not agree.

Ron Paul doesn’t understand the war on terror, or doesn’t take it seriously at all. Probably both.

This is the most important battle of the post-cold-war era, and Ron Paul and his liberal web spammers don’t want to not only fight it, but want to run away from it with their tails between their legs. They not only want to lose, they want to lose completely and in the most embarrassing way possible.

The scary part about a Ron paul presidency is that the one issue that the president has the most leverage is foreign policy, and ron paul’s foreign policy is, frankly, stupid and frightening.


59 posted on 09/26/2007 1:17:23 PM PDT by Tears of a Clown
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The headline assumes more than it can prove. I’m not afraid of Ron Paul, for I don’t believe that he politically significant. The attempt of the article’s writer is to create a sense that Ron Paul is a victim and that he is significant. He is important enough to be feared and hated. That is simply not based upon fact. Most people think that he is kooky. That is not the same thing has being hated or feared.


64 posted on 09/26/2007 1:23:56 PM PDT by Ferox
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69 posted on 09/26/2007 1:29:59 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Keyes/Paul '08 - When you can't get crazy enough.)
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All this has caused me to wonder, what are these Ron Paul detractors so frightened of?

Maybe I'm frightened for my defenseless chickens and sheep which are outside and Ron Paul is rumored to be in the neighborhood.

72 posted on 09/26/2007 1:32:12 PM PDT by RoadKingSE
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Perhaps we should consider a balanced ticket...... Paul/Kochinich


73 posted on 09/26/2007 1:33:26 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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Frightened????

What a joke! This guy will be lucky to break out of single digits in the primary.

76 posted on 09/26/2007 1:36:33 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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I don't think it's frightened, so much as disgusted and angry.

For me it has to do with lewrockwell.com and the Mises Institute and the slippery and dishonest way those people have of arguing.

Lew Rockwell was on Ron Paul's staff years ago and he's become a big supporter of Paul's campaign.

I don't trust him or his anarchist pals any further than I could throw them.

They live in a fantasy world, and it's a good bet that Ron Paul's there as well.

81 posted on 09/26/2007 2:02:15 PM PDT by x
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All the other candidates support big government programs and proclaim big government is the answer to everything that ails our society. Those of us who realize this is not true and who simply want to be left to decide for ourselves what paths we will take in our lives have found a champion in Ron Paul.

That big government is wrong is correct, but Ron Paul is committing malpractice because he doesn't understand the purpose of government (to secure and protect the rights of citizens from external and internal threats) and he doesn't understand the nature of the disease of Islam ( to expand thru the use of force which is a violation of rights. How can a doctor cure the patient if he ignorant of the disease?

85 posted on 09/26/2007 2:26:25 PM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck.)
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Ron Paul is a fine candidate. However, he in not the only candidate that stands for limited government. A case for Fred Thompson can be made that he would be more suited because he has the legal insight on how to accomplish a return to federalism.

We must decentralize the federal government. Issues such as abortion, school choice, gay marriage, and so many others have no place at the federal level.

A return to federalism will limit government involvement in the lives of Americans at the level it was originally intended to be involved in. The question then is who is the better leader in this quest. Ron Paul could be a great grassroots leader in this but certainly Fred Thompson would know how to orient the entire government in this, because in the end it’s the lawyers that need to be tweaked. Once they are onboard, all the rest follows suit.

Ron Paul is a great messenger for basic reform and will need to rely on the American people to help overcome resistance inside the beltway. Fred Thompson is a great communicator who can command respect inside the beltway while simultaneously getting the support of the American people.

I think Ron Paul and Fred Thompson share many of the same goals. Both are appealing.

I do think Ron Paul would create an environment for reform of the Tax Code and of the Federal Reserve system and its relationship with the Unites States whereas Fred Thompson would likely focus only on the Tax Code initially. This is what I like about Ron Paul. He realizes the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax are two heads of the same beast. You can’t slay the beast without cutting off both its heads.

In my view, the United States should federalize the Federal Reserve so that all its members are federal employees. And the United States should never pay interest on federal notes that it creates. This action coupled with elimination of the IRS and repeal of the 16th Amendment would be a central focus under Ron Paul. But as President would he be able to put together a coalition to accomplish these things?

Fred Thompson surely could put together such a coalition to eliminiate the IRS and repeal the 16th. He would likely listen to arguments for federalizing the Federal Reserve.

Here’s a lineup I see:

Fred Thompson, President
Newt Gingrich, Vice President
John McCain, Secretary of State
Ron Paul, Secretary of the Treasury
Duncan Hunter, Secretary of the Interior
......(Homeland Security and Interior consolidated)
David Petraeus, Secretary of Defense
Mark Levin, Department of Justice
Christopher Cox, Secretary of American Affairs
......(Commerce-Labor once again united and consolidated with Energy,
.......Transportation, Agriculture, Health & Human Services and Housing &
.......Urban Development)
William G. Boykin, Department of Veteran Affairs
Vacant, Department of Education (to be abolished)
Vacant, Department of Homeland Security (Consolidated with the Interior)
Vacant, Department of Labor (Consolidated with American Affairs)
Vacant, Department of Energy (Consolidated with American Affairs)
Vacant, Department of Transportation (Consolidated with American Affairs)
Vacant, Department of Agricuture (Consolidated with American Affairs)
Vacant, Department of Health and Human Services (Consolidated with American Affairs)
Vacant, Department of Housing and Urban Development (Consolidated with American Affairs)

14 Cabinets rolled into 6; consolidation and decentralization, elimination of the IRS and federalization of the Federal Reserve under the Department of Treasury.

Fred and Ron have their work cut out for them.


91 posted on 09/26/2007 2:53:16 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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I don’t think it’s “frightened” so much as “annoyed.”

They have a way of trying to take over whatever is happening on any website that will let them. :p


101 posted on 09/26/2007 3:37:45 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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Oh you want to play?

Simple challenge to you. With NO slogans. NO demagogary. NO sliming everyone else who doesn’t share your faith. Tell me HOW Paul would do anything.

Here is his “Issues page”. NOT a word about what or how he would do anything. Just a bunch of slogans strung together bascially screaming bile at everyone and everything.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

So, you Paulites want civility? Then explain to us WHAT and HOW a Paul Administration would do. Do that with OUT sliming any one. No name calling, no hysteric hyper emotive retoric. No cut and pasting of sound bite statements from Paul speeches. REAL plans with documented links so we can read them for ourselves.


102 posted on 09/26/2007 3:38:15 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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Paul makes me think of the blue man, nut job, losertarian.. do they have any normal people in their party? Any?


106 posted on 09/26/2007 3:58:55 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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"Still, some Ron Paul detractors do talk about the issues. "

Not getting us killed is an important issue.

117 posted on 09/26/2007 5:06:36 PM PDT by BobS (I><P>)
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"Still, some Ron Paul detractors do talk about the issues. "

Not getting us killed is an important issue.

119 posted on 09/26/2007 5:16:21 PM PDT by BobS (I><P>)
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This piece is not so much about Ron Paul than about the importance of civil, reasoned debate,

I agree. Ping me when Paul stops steering questions about the practicality of his ideas into rants about "neocons."

123 posted on 09/26/2007 6:52:46 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Hillary for President? In the words of Bell Biv DeVoe: "Never trust a big butt and a smile!")
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Still failing to meet this challenge. Don't care what YOUR opinion is based on what Paul's bills mean. Bill Paul offered knowing he had ZERO chance of passage. That does not address the what a Paul administration would do.

Challenge still stands.

With NO slogans. NO demagoguery. NO sliming everyone else who doesn’t share your faith. Tell me What and how Paul would do anything.

Here is his “Issues page”. NOT a word about what or how he would do anything. Just a bunch of slogans strung together basically screaming bile at everyone and everything.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

So, you Paulites want civility? Then explain to us WHAT and HOW a Paul Administration would do. Do that with OUT sliming any other canidate or politican. No name calling, no hysteric hyper emotive rhetoric. No cut and pasting of sound bite statements from Paul speeches. NO projection of what you FEEL Paul would do. Present to us, with links so we can see them for ourselves, REAL plans from Dr Paul showing how and what he would do as President.

So far you have all failed. You continue to present what YOU feel about Paul as "Fact". Those are not facts. Those are your opinions. Facts are not opinions. Learn the difference.

124 posted on 09/26/2007 7:16:05 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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