Where Do The Finns Come From?

Sydaby ^ | Christian Carpelan

[G8 Diplomat]

I know this thread is old, but a few others have been posting recently and I was pinged, so I thought I’d comment :)

Finnish has 15 cases, but not the most. Hungarian has 27.

[blam]

Saami not descended from Swedish Hunter-Gathers

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Fish?

[blam]

"I know this thread is old, but a few others have been posting recently and I was pinged, so I thought I’d comment :)"

That's quite all right.

Here it is two years later and it's still okay.

[Viiksitimali]

"The Udmurts are the most red-haired Finno-Ugric people, the most red-haired nation in Russia, and as far as the rest of the world is concerned, they are inferior only to the Irish in this respect."
‘Red Festival’ in Udmurtia

[muawiyah]

Hate to pick up on this older thread, but it does have the big teeth/small teeth disussion and now Dracula.

Since the time this was posted I've been working on what you might call "Sa'ami Sightings" where little outlier groups of Sa'ami might have shown up outside of the Fenno-Scandian area during the period of Swedish hegemony in Europe.

That would be late 1500 to late 1600 period ~ about a century (crowned by total loss of everything and retreat to little Sweden).

I chanced on a reference to one or more Sa'ami languages having been spoken by people living high up in the Carpathian Mountains sometime prior to 1810 (which is when the Czar took over the Carpathians and sent in the Cossacks to chase out everybody).

The Swedes OWNED Poland for a considerable period during the Empire ~ they did not force conversion to Lutheran forms.

It is noted in may sources that the Swedes opened up the Carpathians to mining for gold, silver, iron, nickel, etc. all the metals they could find.

Their reason for doing so was obvious ~ the Carpathians are part of a chain of mountains that terminates in the West in Bohemia at roughly the place where the vast silver deposit was found that produced the Thaler (dollar). They had visions of the seam running East, so they sent in miners.

At that time in history most Scandinavian miners were Sa'ami.

BTW, the Sa'ami diet had improved tremendously due to contact with the Swedes and Norwegians that their teeth begin getting larger (generation by generation) and may well have continued to respond to diet and get even bigger.

I've wondered if the combination of LARGER TEETH and anomalous liver functions (porphyria) may have served as the inspiration for the vampires said to inhabit the Carpathian mountains.

BTW, these people disappeared for the most part with the withdrawal of the Swedes from the former Empire. This also coincided with one of the first rally large central and eastern European emigrations to America. I'm pretty sure most of the Sa'ami miners showed up in America within just a few years ~ followed closely by many of the Cossacks sent to clear them out of the mountains.

[blam]

Post as a stand-alone thread here.

[muawiyah]

The languages are "related", and probably the people. You have to understand there's a hidden linguistic component here that sets Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian and a couple of other lesser used languages apart from everything else in the world EXCEPT part of the Dravidian languages.

A language is transmitted extra-genetically. At the same time we know that mothers are their children's first language teachers. That's why you can have a small highly militarized group take over a far larger population and just disappear linguistically and genetically ~ except for a trace here or there.

You have to have females in some number in your own group for your identity as the conqueror to prevail in the eventual mix, and there's always a mix.

Hungarian linguistic researchers are working on it. Their belief is that Hungarian is a creole which derives in part from a cognate language to ancient Sumerian, and that language in turn derives from a cognate to ancient Dravidian core languages. If that's true with Hungarian, it's true with Finnish, and Estonian, and yet it may not be true at all when it comes to the Sa'ami languages.

The next 50 years of study into Ice Age languages should be exciting (if you're into that sort of thing).

[muawiyah]

Chariots ~ all those oat eaters and hayburners required lots of slash and burn agriculture ~ as bad as any SUV.

[Revolting cat!]

Where indeed do they come from?

[muawiyah]

There’s a blood type line in Europe ~ Mongols on one side; Scots on the other.

[muawiyah]

Blam, I think we’ve found somebody else who may know somebody with acute intermittent Scandinavian porphyria ~ I believe that young lady who plays Spiderman’s wife must be afflicted by it ~ and there are definitely some others in the public eye.

[muawiyah]

That’s the old theory where it was assumed the Western Finno-Ughric languages were assumed to have come in from the East, rather than originating in the West and moving East in the more distant past.

[Perdogg]

I am always interested in language and History.

[a fool in paradise]

Detroit, MI.

[a fool in paradise]

But some migrated westward...

[Viiksitimali]

23rd December 2010
A genetic mutation that makes men impulsive and aggressive, especially when drunk, has been isolated in Finnish men.

Research on violent criminals in Finland has uncovered a genetic variant of a brain receptor molecule that contributes that makes people more likely to be aggressive when they have been drinking.

The findings could lead to a better understanding into why some people are more prone to sudden bouts of violence and to the treatment of violent offenders.

Incredibly, the gene is only found in men from Finland and so cannot explain similar behaviour in other countries such as the UK.

A report of the findings appears in the December 23rd issue of Nature.

'Impulsivity, or action without foresight, is a factor in many pathological behaviours including suicide, aggression, and addiction,' says David Goldman chief of the Laboratory of Neurogenetics at the NIH's National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA). 'But it is also a trait that can be of value if a quick decision must be made or in situations where risk-taking is favoured.'

Daily Mail

[blam]

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

I'm a recovering alcoholic.

I quit drinking 12-04-89.

[Bethaneidh]

Cute Sami. Hehe.