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To: Baladas
Point, dude, but this isn’t 1880,

Correct. It is 2007 and we are still a nation that people love to emigrate to.

That hasn't changed.

and the Chinese didn’t immigrate illegally in THESE numbers,

The Chinese did not immigrate illegally because there were almost no legal barriers to immigration at all in 1880, as opposed to the stupid, antiquated quota system we have today. The reason why the Chinese didn't immigrate in even greater numbers is because racist Anti-Chinese Leagues pushed for severe restrictions targeting them.

and the Catholics (and I am one) didn’t suicide bomb

I'm Catholic too.

Catholics have never been suicide bombers in this country - but some German Protestants have been - the Haymarket terrorist bombers were from Northern Germany.

11 posted on 09/25/2007 1:10:41 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

But what HAS changed is that now there’s all these entitlement programs and there’s such as thing as “illegal immigration” now. Then there’s the all the technological advances in terrorism...

But if you want immigration reform, forget that OTHER Catholic.


12 posted on 09/25/2007 1:22:15 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: wideawake

Chinese immigrants (”coolies” as they were known) were brought in to build the western railroads.

Like our illegal aliens of today, they were brought in because they were cheap labor....as the railroad companies refused to hire Americans to build RRs (hasnt changed...”jobs Americans wont do” BS)


18 posted on 09/25/2007 2:01:12 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (FantasyCollegeBlitz.com)
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To: wideawake
"Catholics have never been suicide bombers in this country..."

Is that some sort of suggestion that they were suicide bombers in other countries?

Gee, one of my grandfathers had to flee Ireland because of certain activities back in the homeland. Probably the comment is accurate, but only because of the "suicide" part.

27 posted on 09/25/2007 3:05:49 PM PDT by Radix (When I became a man, I put away childish things!)
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To: wideawake

“there were almost no legal barriers to immigration at all in 1880, as opposed to the stupid, antiquated quota system we have today. “

We have 300 million people in this country. Our infrastructure will not support any great increase. Traffic is a nightmare now and the average commuter spends a week each year sitting in traffic. Just how crowded do you want our country to become? Maybe like India or China?


38 posted on 09/25/2007 6:13:21 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: wideawake; Baladas; Radix; antisocial
Catholics have never been suicide bombers in this country - but some German Protestants have been - the Haymarket terrorist bombers were from Northern Germany.

The unknown bomber's act resounded nationwide. Public opinion was instantly galvanized against the radical left, resulting in the first "Red Scare" in America. In a climate of political paranoia fueled by the popular press, the police arrested eight prominent Chicago anarchists and charged them with conspiracy to murder. The eight were tried before Judge Joseph E. Gary in the Circuit Court of Cook County. Although no evidence emerged to tie any of the men to the bombing, the jury returned a verdict of guilty after deliberating for less than three hours. The court sentenced Oscar Neebe to fifteen years in the penitentiary and the others to death by hanging.

From Wikipedia: August Spies was born in Germany in 1855 and emigrated to America in 1872 with his mother, Christine, and his five siblings, Henry, Kenny, Maggie, Willy, and Adolph. His father had died in 1871.

From Wikipedia: George Engel was born in Cassel, Germany in 1836 to a impoversished family with three other children. His father, Konrad, a mason and bricklayer, died when he was less than two years old. His mother dies when he was twelve leaving him an orphan. He lived for a short time with a foster family, but at the age of 14 was forced to look for work. He was apprenticed to a shoemaker, but was unable to afford the dues. He travelled to Frankfort and finally found work as a painter's apprentice. He travelled around Germany working, and in 1868 opened a business of his own. He married the same year, but found that the economic conditions in Germany made survival difficult, and so decided to follow his boyhood dream of emigrating to the United States. He left Germany in 1872 arriving first in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in January 1873 where he worked in a sugar refinery. In 1874 he left Philadelphia and moved to Chicago, Illinois, where he later, in 1876, was to open his own toyshop.

From Wikipedia: Albert Parsons was born on June 20, 1848 in Montgomery, Alabama to Samuel Parsons (?-1853) of Maine. His mother was a Tompkins-Broadwell of New Jersey and she died in 1850. They moved to Montgomery, Alabama where Samuel started a shoe and leather factory and they had ten children. One step brother was [William Henry Parsons] {1826-1907}. Parsons called his brother a "general". William H. Parsons was the Colonel of the 12th Regiment, Texas Cavalry {Parson's Mounted Volunteers}.

From Wikipedia: Adolph Fischer emigrated to the United States in 1873 at the age of 15. He became an apprentice compositor in his brother, William's printing shop in Little Rock, Arkansas. Later, in 1879, he moved to St. Louis, Missouri, where he joined the German Typographical Union and in 1881, married Johanna Pfauntz (they would have three children -- one daughter and two sons).


You are making things up. They were all legal immigrants to the U.S. All were charged and hanged with very little evidence to support the claim that they were the bombers. Your specious claim that they were "terrorists from Nothern Germany" is so easily debunked as to render your argument totally faulty.

44 posted on 09/25/2007 6:59:43 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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