Posted on 09/25/2007 12:26:25 PM PDT by SittinYonder
I dislike seemingly rhetorical questions. So...
Why does those willing to push have to be President?
Why can't a President be a talented diplomat, who is ready and willing to unleash others to push for him?
When couldn't this question be asked? And if it is always true, then why is it any more meaningful to ask it now than, say, in 4 or 8 years?
Since I don’t want MSM to pick the president for me, I contributed to Hunter’s campaign, sent letters to editors, and am going to call talk shows.
There are two significant differences between immigration in the past and what we're seeing now.
1. Social Services that legal citizens and legal immigrants pay for but illegal immigrants utilize at a higher rate. Those services, and the burden on legal citizens to support those services, did not exist in 1880. You came here and worked your way to prosperity, you didn't have the government shifting other people's wealth to your support.
2. With immigration waves in the past, in most cases, the second generation assimilated with and added to the culture of America. But that's not happening with the second generation. Instead, we offer them services in their language from press 1 for English up to and including special teachers who teach "English as a Second Language."
The current wave of illegal immigrants are being set up, by our government and by themselves, to fail in future generations. The majority of the children of the illegal immigrants will be a burden on our nation's taxpayers. And as long as the services exist for a divided population, it will remain so.
Comparing the current wave of illegal immigrants to immigrants of the past is intellectually dishonest.
The unknown bomber's act resounded nationwide. Public opinion was instantly galvanized against the radical left, resulting in the first "Red Scare" in America. In a climate of political paranoia fueled by the popular press, the police arrested eight prominent Chicago anarchists and charged them with conspiracy to murder. The eight were tried before Judge Joseph E. Gary in the Circuit Court of Cook County. Although no evidence emerged to tie any of the men to the bombing, the jury returned a verdict of guilty after deliberating for less than three hours. The court sentenced Oscar Neebe to fifteen years in the penitentiary and the others to death by hanging.
From Wikipedia: August Spies was born in Germany in 1855 and emigrated to America in 1872 with his mother, Christine, and his five siblings, Henry, Kenny, Maggie, Willy, and Adolph. His father had died in 1871.
From Wikipedia: George Engel was born in Cassel, Germany in 1836 to a impoversished family with three other children. His father, Konrad, a mason and bricklayer, died when he was less than two years old. His mother dies when he was twelve leaving him an orphan. He lived for a short time with a foster family, but at the age of 14 was forced to look for work. He was apprenticed to a shoemaker, but was unable to afford the dues. He travelled to Frankfort and finally found work as a painter's apprentice. He travelled around Germany working, and in 1868 opened a business of his own. He married the same year, but found that the economic conditions in Germany made survival difficult, and so decided to follow his boyhood dream of emigrating to the United States. He left Germany in 1872 arriving first in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in January 1873 where he worked in a sugar refinery. In 1874 he left Philadelphia and moved to Chicago, Illinois, where he later, in 1876, was to open his own toyshop.
From Wikipedia: Albert Parsons was born on June 20, 1848 in Montgomery, Alabama to Samuel Parsons (?-1853) of Maine. His mother was a Tompkins-Broadwell of New Jersey and she died in 1850. They moved to Montgomery, Alabama where Samuel started a shoe and leather factory and they had ten children. One step brother was [William Henry Parsons] {1826-1907}. Parsons called his brother a "general". William H. Parsons was the Colonel of the 12th Regiment, Texas Cavalry {Parson's Mounted Volunteers}.
From Wikipedia: Adolph Fischer emigrated to the United States in 1873 at the age of 15. He became an apprentice compositor in his brother, William's printing shop in Little Rock, Arkansas. Later, in 1879, he moved to St. Louis, Missouri, where he joined the German Typographical Union and in 1881, married Johanna Pfauntz (they would have three children -- one daughter and two sons).
You are making things up. They were all legal immigrants to the U.S. All were charged and hanged with very little evidence to support the claim that they were the bombers. Your specious claim that they were "terrorists from Nothern Germany" is so easily debunked as to render your argument totally faulty.
Thank you for your real support for a good man. Attention keyboard warriors: send letters, money and voice opinions on the media! We like to do a thing called “FReeping” where you take off work to counter-protest those who don’t work while putting dabs of Vaporub in your nose because they literally are the great unwashed.
So wrote Benjamin Franklin in his 1751 "Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind and the Peopling of Countries," an extract from a larger pamphlet published in London in 1760.
Just some food for thought.
And yes, I got the quote off primary source material from my American Economic History professor at The University.
Everything I have stated is factual.
They were all legal immigrants to the U.S.
Who claimed they weren't? That was my whole point.
All were charged and hanged with very little evidence to support the claim that they were the bombers.
So, it was all a big conspiracy and the government railroaded them as part of some big coverup - right? Are you a contributor to PrisonPlanet?
Your specious claim that they were "terrorists from Nothern Germany" is so easily debunked as to render your argument totally faulty.
They were from Northern Germany (except Parsons, of course), and they were terrorists. There's nothing to debunk, unless one is a conspriacy theorists who believes that the Pinkertons and not the terrorists were behind the bombing.
Get a grip, dude.
Not really - but in Ireland, Spain and Italy various terror types have occasionally claimed membership.
As a proud, card-carrying member of at least three ethnic groups about whom this was said (and let's face it, more or less accurately), I certainly claim a unique persepective on illegal immigration.
The difference between then and now is definitely the old "Chinese vs. European" argument. The country more or less successfully handled 6 million Italians over a 75-100 yar period. Not to mention the Irish, the Germans, and Eastern Europeans of various sorts. Maybe a total of 50 Million people over a 150-year period. Could we have handled 200 Million Chinamen arriving over 50 years? I doubt it.
The reason all of these immigrant oddments were more or less successfully turned into Americans was that no one group had overwhelming numbers, except in their neighborhood. So once they travelled half-a-mile, it was English-speaking territory (unless you lived in a mill town and inadvertantly wandered into Hungarian territory, Little Italy, or that part of town where all the churches have an onion on top). And there was no NO social safety net. Unless you became a citizen and could demonstrate that you could read and write English, you couldn't vote. (Except maybe in Chicago, where many Poles who arrived here legally were taught it was normal to awake before dawn on Election Day to vote 5 times in different precincts, before voting where you lived. Of course this quaint custom has been updated for illegal Mexicans, and not only in Chicago. And thanks to mod-tech, they needn't show up to be counted. BTW,it is probable more Mexicans showed up illegally last month than all the Poles who ever came to the US in 100 years.)
Yet, despite these obvious remarks, everyone opposed to real immigration reform insists upon equating earlier waves of immigration with the Latino-ization of the US. Really dumb. Illegal Mexicans already outnumber the African-Americans. Combine them with their legal American Citizen offspring, and they already outnumber anything else in the US that could reasonably be called an "ethnic group," including all three or four of mine combined and doubled!
If the Tanc and Dunc were to build their fence tonight and locked down the border, or at least ran it as a border, this will still be a majority Latin-American country within 150 years. ¿Comprendes?
So there is a part of the problem that Tanc and Dunc are not addressing: I agree that part (1) is stopping the flow. I haven't a clue about what to do about part (2), i.e. How do we American-ize what has become America's largest identifiable population block?
Does anyone else? That ends my remarks on this topic for today.
Tanc and Hunter are truly doing the work that congress won’t do!!!!
And that is exactly what they are doing in Austin Texas as well. The state public school system is cooperating with education authorities in Mexico To place Hispanic students in Austin, Texas into a Spanish-language curriculum that is sent to the Austin Schools FROM Mexico! TEXAS taxpayer dollars at work!
This is the result of krap like Plyler v. Doe 457 U.S. 202. The SC forced the State of Texas to spend U.S. taxpayer money on educating (for free of course) children that live in mexico as well as children of illegal aliens that live in the u.S. illegally. Now that includes children that were born in the u.S and in mexico!
and yet this person had zero traction in the election.
He should be front and center with the Dream Act AMNESTY II on the floor today.
He could do a paul revere moment by calling citizens “to their phones and emails” to flood the senate.
“Yet, despite these obvious remarks, everyone opposed to real immigration reform insists upon equating earlier waves of immigration with the Latino-ization of the US. Really dumb. Illegal Mexicans already outnumber the African-Americans. Combine them with their legal American Citizen offspring, and they already outnumber anything else in the US that could reasonably be called an “ethnic group,” including all three or four of mine combined and doubled!
If the Tanc and Dunc were to build their fence tonight and locked down the border, or at least ran it as a border, this will still be a majority Latin-American country within 150 years. ¿Comprendes?”
Very well said!
Why get personal?
Everything I read says the trial was a farce and the evidence was very weak.
They were from Northern Germany (except Parsons, of course), and they were terrorists. There's nothing to debunk, unless one is a conspriacy theorists who believes that the Pinkertons and not the terrorists were behind the bombing.
You attempted to mislead in you original post about the "terrorists" who were from northern Germany. Half of them emigrated when they were children.
I have a grip. I am tired of people like you making excuses for illegals.
“William H. Parsons was the Colonel of the 12th Regiment, Texas Cavalry {Parson’s Mounted Volunteers}.”
My Great Grand uncle was a sargent in Co.F of Parson’s Mounted Volunteers.
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