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Congress Denounces Iran's Ahmadinejad [Ron Paul moves to the left of Kucinich; votes nay]
Breitbart.com ^ | 09-25-07

Posted on 09/25/2007 11:12:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress signaled its disapproval of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with a vote Tuesday to tighten sanctions against his government and a call to designate his army a terrorist group.

The swift rebuke was a rare display of bipartisan cooperation in a Congress bitterly divided on the Iraq war. It reflected lawmakers' long-standing nervousness about Tehran's intentions in the region, particularly toward Israel—a sentiment fueled by the pro-Israeli lobby whose influence reaches across party lines in Congress.

"Iran faces a choice between a very big carrot and a very sharp stick," said Rep. Tom Lantos, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. "It is my hope that they will take the carrot. But today, we are putting the stick in place."

The House passed, by a 397-16 vote, a proposal by Lantos, D-Calif., aimed at blocking foreign investment in Iran, in particular its lucrative energy sector. The bill would specifically bar the president from waiving U.S. sanctions.

Current law imposes sanctions against any foreign company that invests $20 million or more in Iran's energy industry, although the U.S. has waived or ignored sanction laws in exchange for European support on nonproliferation issues.

In the Senate, Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., proposed a nonbinding resolution urging the State Department to label Iran's military—the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps—a terrorist organization.

The Bush administration had already been planning to blacklist a unit within the Revolutionary Guard, subjecting part of the vast military operation to financial sanctions.

The legislative push came a day after Ahmadinejad defended Holocaust revisionists, questioned who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and declared homosexuals didn't exist in Iran in a tense question-and- answer session at Columbia University.

The Iranian president planned to speak Tuesday at the U.N. General Assembly.

Lantos' bill was expected to draw criticism from U.S. allies in Europe. During a visit to Washington last week, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner told lawmakers that France opposes any U.S. legislation that would target European countries operating in Iran. He argued that such sanctions could undermine cooperation on dealing with Iran.


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To: ejonesie22

Nanoo Nanoo


81 posted on 09/25/2007 1:20:57 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Reagan Man
Whats with Cong Jeff Flake? I thought he was one of the good guys.

Flake is a watered-down Paul. He may be great on taxes, but he is a Castro-fellator and a Patriot Act-hater.

82 posted on 09/25/2007 1:21:43 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: mnehrling
A CALL TO THE “HIGH” COUNCIL ITSELF!

Excellent dude!

83 posted on 09/25/2007 1:22:07 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: Allegra; wideawake; Larry Lucido; MNJohnnie; mnehrling; ejonesie22; Petronski; BlackElk; dighton
This is how 99% of my and other's conversations went with Paulards here on Freerepublic.

Freeper: Ron Paul says that America is to blame for Islamic Hate

Paultard: That has been widely disputed already you *&^%ing neocon idiot. Why do you keep spewing that nonsense? (pinging the other 5 remaining anti-war kooks)

Freeper: Here are the links, with actual video of him saying just that

Paultard: Look over there, the Constitution, Ron Paul is the only Candidate since James Madison to defend it.

84 posted on 09/25/2007 1:22:32 PM PDT by lormand
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To: ejonesie22

Its only fair.


85 posted on 09/25/2007 1:22:51 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: ejonesie22; mnehrling
I hope Mom will let me use her car to get to Taco Bell today. I hope she doesn't need it. I hate walking to work. It might rain and all. Rain harshes my buzz, man.

Besides, if I have her car, I can go out in the parking lot and spark a quick doob on my fifteen-minute break.

86 posted on 09/25/2007 1:22:56 PM PDT by Allegra (The Surge Works While the Democrats "Betray Us.")
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To: Petronski
Blame America, but don’t denounce Ahmadinejad.

************

Exactly. Disgusting.

87 posted on 09/25/2007 1:23:41 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: lormand

That looks familiar, have you been reading this thread?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901815/posts?page=61#61


88 posted on 09/25/2007 1:24:37 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: lormand
Defend it, hell Ron Paul was the ghost writer for the Constitution...

He has powers way beyond us mere mortals ya know...

89 posted on 09/25/2007 1:25:59 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: mnehrling
Oh I fully support you. I was complaining about how boring it has been...
90 posted on 09/25/2007 1:26:51 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: Petronski

LOL. You did too. Excellent.


91 posted on 09/25/2007 1:27:57 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: lormand; Allegra; wideawake; Larry Lucido; MNJohnnie; mnehrling; ejonesie22; Petronski; BlackElk; ..

I’m ap[paul]ed that no Paulettes have lurched to this thread to defend their illustrious leader (at least thus far). So, now we have to maintain their low standards ourselves?

What’s this world coming to?

Don’t answer, I don’t want to know.


92 posted on 09/25/2007 1:28:16 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Allegra
John Adams is afraid of cars there dudette, but Jefferson may be game. It’s like really cool to know more about a Federal um...

Whatever....

93 posted on 09/25/2007 1:28:57 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: bcsco

Welcome to the show...


94 posted on 09/25/2007 1:29:39 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: mnehrling
"That looks familiar, have you been reading this thread?"

Punching in new coordinates now...

95 posted on 09/25/2007 1:29:48 PM PDT by lormand
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To: bcsco; ejonesie22; mnehrling; lormand; BlackElk
What’s this world coming to?

Don’t answer, I don’t want to know.

Hey, dude, just load up a bowl and have a couple of hits.

It's all good.

96 posted on 09/25/2007 1:30:41 PM PDT by Allegra (The Surge Works While the Democrats "Betray Us.")
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To: Petronski
L.Ron Approves of Ahmadinejad Ping

I'm shocked ping!

97 posted on 09/25/2007 1:31:08 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: ejonesie22
Dude....did you ever look at your hands? I mean really look at them.

Wowww.

98 posted on 09/25/2007 1:33:13 PM PDT by Allegra (The Surge Works While the Democrats "Betray Us.")
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To: ejonesie22
Welcome to the show...

Hey, thanks! T'was a great vacation seeing the granddaughter. Too much Dallas traffic though. We need to get a lot closer next year.

What's going on? I've been mostly offline until yesterday. Things seem to be slow in the Paulette department lately?

99 posted on 09/25/2007 1:34:27 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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Iran: The Next Neocon Target
HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS

Excerpts.

The longtime Neo-con goal to remake Iraq prompted us to abandon the search for Osama bin Laden. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 was hyped as a noble mission, justified by misrepresentations of intelligence concerning Saddam Hussein and his ability to attack us and his neighbors. This failed policy has created the current chaos in Iraq-- chaos that many describe as a civil war. Saddam Hussein is out of power and most people are pleased. Yet some Iraqis, who dream of stability, long for his authoritarian rule. But once again, Saddam Hussein’s removal benefited the Iranians, who consider Saddam Hussein an arch enemy.

those who maneuver us into war do so with little concern for our young people serving in the military, and theoretically think little of their own children if they have any. It’s hard to conceive that political supporters of the war would consciously claim that a pre-emptive war for regime change, where young people are sacrificed, is only worth it if the deaths and injuries are limited to other people’s children. This, I’m sure, would be denied-- which means their own children are technically available for this sacrifice that is so often praised and glorified for the benefit of the families who have lost so much. If so, they should think more of their own children. If this is not so, and their children are not available for such sacrifice, the hypocrisy is apparent. Remember, most Neo-con planners fall into the category of chicken-hawks.

The agitation and congressional resolutions painting Iran as an enemy about to attack us have already begun.

Our policies toward Iran have been more provocative than those towards Iraq. Yes, President Bush labeled Iran part of the axis of evil and unnecessarily provoked their anger at us. But our mistakes with Iran started a long time before this president took office.

In 1953 our CIA, with help of the British, participated in overthrowing the democratic elected leader, Mohamed Mossedech. We placed the Shah in power. He ruled ruthlessly but protected our oil interests, and for that we protected him-- that is until 1979. We even provided him with Iran’s first nuclear reactor. Evidently we didn’t buy the argument that his oil supplies precluded a need for civilian nuclear energy. From 1953 to 1979 his authoritarian rule served to incite a radical Muslim opposition led by the Ayatollah Khomeini, who overthrew the Shah and took our hostages in 1979. This blowback event was slow in coming, but Muslims have long memories. The hostage crisis and overthrow of the Shah by the Ayatollah was a major victory for the radical Islamists. Most Americans either never knew about or easily forgot our unwise meddling in the internal affairs of Iran in 1953.

During the 1980s we further antagonized Iran by supporting the Iraqis in their invasion of Iran. This made our relationship with Iran worse, while sending a message to Saddam Hussein that invading a neighboring country is not all that bad. When Hussein got the message from our State Department that his plan to invade Kuwait was not of much concern to the United States he immediately proceeded to do so. We in a way encouraged him to do it almost like we encouraged him to go into Iran. Of course this time our reaction was quite different, and all of a sudden our friendly ally Saddam Hussein became our arch enemy. The American people may forget this flip-flop, but those who suffered from it never forget. And the Iranians remember well our meddling in their affairs. Labeling the Iranians part of the axis of evil further alienated them and contributed to the animosity directed toward us.

For whatever reasons the Neo-conservatives might give, they are bound and determined to confront the Iranian government and demand changes in its leadership. This policy will further spread our military presence and undermine our security. The sad truth is that the supposed dangers posed by Iran are no more real than those claimed about Iraq. The charges made against Iran are unsubstantiated, and amazingly sound very similar to the false charges made against Iraq.

There is no evidence of a threat to us by Iran, and no reason to plan and initiate a confrontation with her. There are many reasons not to do so, however.

Iran does not have a nuclear weapon and there’s no evidence that she is working on one--only conjecture.

If Iran had a nuclear weapon, why would this be different from Pakistan, India, and North Korea having one? Why does Iran have less right to a defensive weapon than these other countries?

If Iran had a nuclear weapon, the odds of her initiating an attack against anybody-- which would guarantee her own annihilation-- are zero. And the same goes for the possibility she would place weapons in the hands of a non-state terrorist group.

Pakistan has spread nuclear technology throughout the world, and in particular to the North Koreans. They flaunt international restrictions on nuclear weapons. But we reward them just as we reward India.

The demand for UN sanctions is now being strongly encouraged by Congress.

Our offer of political and financial assistance to foreign and domestic individuals who support the overthrow of the current Iranian government is fraught with danger and saturated with arrogance….Sanctions, along with financial and political support to persons and groups dedicated to the overthrow of the Iranian government, are acts of war.

There are some who may not agree strongly with any of my arguments, and instead believe the propaganda: Iran and her President, Mahmoud Almadinjad, are thoroughly irresponsible and have threatened to destroy Israel. So all measures must be taken to prevent Iran from getting nukes-- thus the campaign to intimidate and confront Iran.

First, Iran doesn’t have a nuke and is nowhere close to getting one, according to the CIA. If they did have one, using it would guarantee almost instantaneous annihilation by Israel and the United States.

It’s in our best interest to pursue a foreign policy of non-intervention. A strict interpretation of the Constitution mandates it. The moral imperative of not imposing our will on others, no matter how well intentioned, is a powerful argument for minding our own business.

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Lying War Propaganda Against Iran

Statement on H Con Res 21

Before the U.S. House of Representatives, May 22, 2007

Madam Speaker: I rise in strong opposition to this resolution. This resolution is an exercise in propaganda that serves one purpose: to move us closer to initiating a war against Iran. Citing various controversial statements by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, this legislation demands that the United Nations Security Council charge Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

Having already initiated a disastrous war against Iraq citing UN resolutions as justification, this resolution is like déjà vu. Have we forgotten 2003 already? Do we really want to go to war again for UN resolutions? That is where this resolution, and the many others we have passed over the last several years on Iran, is leading us. I hope my colleagues understand that a vote for this bill is a vote to move us closer to war with Iran.

Clearly, language threatening to wipe a nation or a group of people off the map is to be condemned by all civilized people. And I do condemn any such language. But why does threatening Iran with a pre-emptive nuclear strike, as many here have done, not also deserve the same kind of condemnation? Does anyone believe that dropping nuclear weapons on Iran will not wipe a people off the map? When it is said that nothing, including a nuclear strike, is off the table on Iran, are those who say it not also threatening genocide? And we wonder why the rest of the world accuses us of behaving hypocritically, of telling the rest of the world “do as we say, not as we do.”

I strongly urge my colleagues to consider a different approach to Iran, and to foreign policy in general. General William Odom, President Reagan’s director of the National Security Agency, outlined a much more sensible approach in a recent article titled “Exit From Iraq Should Be Through Iran.” General Odom wrote: “Increasingly bogged down in the sands of Iraq, the US thrashes about looking for an honorable exit. Restoring cooperation between Washington and Tehran is the single most important step that could be taken to rescue the US from its predicament in Iraq.” General Odom makes good sense. We need to engage the rest of the world, including Iran and Syria, through diplomacy, trade, and travel rather than pass threatening legislation like this that paves the way to war. We have seen the limitations of force as a tool of US foreign policy. It is time to try a more traditional and conservative approach. I urge a “no” vote on this resolution.

100 posted on 09/25/2007 1:34:58 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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