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Giuliani's Rhetoric on Terror Contrasts With His Record
The Washington Post ^ | Monday, September 24, 2007; Page A01 | Alec MacGillis

Posted on 09/24/2007 3:17:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As Rudolph W. Giuliani campaigns for president, he rarely misses a chance to warn about the threat from terrorists. "They hate you," he told a woman at an Atlanta college. They "want to kill us," he told guests at a Virginia luncheon.

The former New York City mayor exhorts America to fight back in what he calls the "terrorists' war on us" and accuses Democrats of reverting to their "denial" in the 1990s, when, he said, President Bill Clinton erred by treating terrorism as a law enforcement matter, not a war.

Democrats, he said in July, have "the same bad judgment they had in the 1990s. They don't see the threat. They don't accept the threat."

It is a powerful message coming from the man who won global acclaim for his calm and resolve after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But it is undercut by Giuliani's record as mayor and by his public statements about terrorism since the 1990s, which document an evolution in thinking that began with a mind-set similar to the one he criticizes today.

In presenting himself as the candidate most knowledgeable about terrorism, Giuliani stakes the same claim he used to build a successful consulting firm after leaving City Hall: that he is not only a strong leader in a crisis, but someone who was deeply engaged with the Islamic extremist threat long before planes hit the World Trade Center.

But for most of Giuliani's career as a Department of Justice official, prosecutor and New York's chief executive, terrorism was a narrow aspect of his broader crime-fighting agenda, which was dominated by drug dealers, white-collar criminals and the Mafia.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; autocrat; counterterrorism; electionpresident; elections; gayfriendly; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; gop; groundzero; islam; jihad; jihadists; muslims; newyorkcity; republicans; rinorudy; rinos; rockefellergop; rudy; rudygiuliani; terrorism; wot
The more you know, the less you like...
1 posted on 09/24/2007 3:17:57 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Jim Robinson

Ping!


2 posted on 09/24/2007 3:32:10 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have no use for Giuliani... but this is a weak hit-piece from a weak-on-truth newspaper. Giuliani stands above ANY... Dhimmicrat candidate in regards to the Islamic threat.


3 posted on 09/24/2007 3:44:47 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this is the best that the Left can do to attack Giuliani, they don’t have much. All G. needs to say is: The world changed on 9-11 and I changed with it and the Democrats didn’t. End of story.


4 posted on 09/24/2007 5:31:23 AM PDT by NKStarr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I want to know how Guiliani’s position on fighting terror differs from any of the other GOP candidates (with the exception of R. Paul)? Aren’t they all pledging to be tough on terrorism? I understand why Guiliani is trying to set himself apart, but I haven’t heard the other candidates say they would be soft on this issue.

He likes to portray himself as being apart from the others in this respect - but that, like most of what Rudy spouts, is not what it appears to be.


5 posted on 09/24/2007 5:33:32 AM PDT by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter. Seriously.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Do we follow the same rules with Rudy slam pieces as we do with Fred's?

If we do, this story must show how the MSM is afraid of Rudy.

6 posted on 09/24/2007 5:36:37 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think if you want to oppose Guiliani, go ahead, it is a free country. But I get mad when conservatives use a disgraceful dimmacrat, pro-hildabeast newspaper like the Washington Compost to trash Rudy.

Let’s do it in house.


7 posted on 09/24/2007 5:45:12 AM PDT by Perdogg (Join the NCAA basketball thread - Freemail me)
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To: codercpc

I do not think the MSM is afraid of Rudy. They want him to get the nomination, because a)he is the easiest candidate for Hillary to beat; and b)if he did win by some miracle, he would be a domestic liberal. It is a win/win situation for the MSM and the liberals.

That said, they still prefer Hillary to him. They mistakenly believe, based on some of the early polls and the MoveOn theatrics, that he has the GOP nomination in the bag, so this little piece (which is really quite tame) represents just a trial run for what they plan in the General against Rudy.

This is in no sense a “slam piece”. Rudy is touting himself as the tough expert on terrorism. If you do that and scrutiny suggests otherwise, how is it a slam to report the facts?

IMHO Rudy will never make it to the general election. He will be vanquished early in the Republican primaries, but if he did somehow make it, by October of 2008, this article would pale in comparison to the ads Hillary has in the can for Rudy. He cannot defeat her in a general election, because it will not be a one on one race. I cannot repeat that often enough.


8 posted on 09/24/2007 6:03:35 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I went over to youtube and heard some comments about Giuliani’s performance on (and prior to) 9/11. Very sad, and very illuminating.
The media had to put a face on the city and it was his, and now he’s trying to prance into the White House on a path covered in ashes. No amount of roses thrown on that path by the media, can conceal all those ashes.
And he thinks it’s his ace. That’s far worse, far more misguided, than Kerry thinking his Viet Nam record would help him win.
Giuliani is delusional if he thinks the media will help him use 9/11 to put him in the White House.


9 posted on 09/24/2007 6:06:57 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Write. Phone. Fax. Demand answers. Demand questions!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm no huge fan of his, though if he wins the primary I WILL NOT vote against him in some "protest vote", which people insanely continue to do, over and over, while expecting a different result every time.

It's like the left's need to keep trying to make socialism and communism work.

As for Rudy's record, to be fair, his opinions before September 11th mean nothing compared to his ACTIONS after September 11th.

10 posted on 09/24/2007 6:33:46 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Gosh, they waited an awful long time to tell us the “truth”.


11 posted on 09/24/2007 6:37:45 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's the bottom line on Rooty....

Rooty is an amoral power hungry LIBERAL autocrat --- and in general, a pig.

12 posted on 09/24/2007 6:38:05 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
His record as mayor doesn't show he took the first WTC attack very seriously. And his general agreement with the Xlintons on almost everything was an endorsement of those same Dim policies that he now condemns.

Some folks claim Romney is the flip-flop king but I think they're ignoring Rudi's actual record.
13 posted on 09/24/2007 6:45:30 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: johnny7

Very lame piece by the Dim propaganda wing, the WP, lol.

RG stands above any candidate that belongs to the unAmerican Dimocrat Party.


14 posted on 09/24/2007 10:23:25 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like the New York Times, the “news” pages of the Washington Post are indistinguishable from its opinion section.


15 posted on 09/24/2007 10:53:04 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: All
When Rooty and his frickin' Rooters start doing the WOT Mideast Samba, you know they have dollar signs dancing in their figging heads. Rooty's been renting his name to the highest bidder ever since 9/11, profiting off the tragedy bigtime.

Giuliani companies (that we know of) include:

(1) Giuliani Capital Advisors, LLC (AKA Giuliani Partners LLC),
(2) Giuliani Group,
(3) Giuliani-Kerik (re-named Giuliani Security and Safety, after the departure of the tainted ex-Police Commissioner),
(4) Giuliani-Van Essen,
(5) Bracewell & Giuliani LLP law firm (based in Texas with global interests),
(6) Bracewell & Giuliani has two offices in Kazakhstan (in the Ukraine), and,
(7) Giuliani Security & Safety, Asia

Bracewell & Giuliani's Almaty, Kazakhstan (in the Ukraine) January closings totalled $1.625 Billion (they have two offices there).

Bracewell & Giuliani's Cintra account. Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A., a Spanish transportation company (lobbied for Privatization of Toll Road in Texas)

Bracewell & Giuliani's Banco Santander Central Hispano, S.A. (SAN.MC, STD.N) (a bank that traded with a blacklisted Iranian Bank)

Bracewell & Giuliani company account tied to Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chávez, who has called President Bush "the devil." Bracewell & Giuliani lobbies on behalf of Texas-based Citgo Petroleum, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Venezuelan oil company controlled by Chávez.

Rooty has absolutely no foreign policy experience, no military experience (some say he used a law clerk job as an excuse to dodge the draft), a long record of violating citizens rights, a history of appointing incompetent, corrupt administrators (Kerik, Harding, Roberts, etc).

Not to worry, Americans---lapdog Rooty is good at "obeying orders."

16 posted on 09/24/2007 12:36:04 PM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns, or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

“They want him to get the nomination, because a)he is the easiest candidate for Hillary to beat; and b)if he did win by some miracle, he would be a domestic liberal. It is a win/win situation for the MSM and the liberals.”

It’s scary how few people seem to understand this... Combine that with the fact that Republicans would fight Hillary, but back Giuliani, and a Rudy presidency would be a nightmare the likes of which some of his supporters can’t even begin to imagine.


17 posted on 09/24/2007 5:56:34 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: roses of sharon

This was a very balanced piece.

Just because they present something that puts a candidate that you like in a less than flattering light does not make it a hit-piece.

Thanks for the over-reaction.


18 posted on 10/06/2007 7:47:08 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: johnny7; NKStarr

Try reading the article before you slam the WP for putting out a hit piece.

They actually wrote a very-well sourced and balanced article!


19 posted on 10/06/2007 7:48:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

>>They actually wrote a very-well sourced and balanced article!<<

LOL.
Gosh, I would expect nothing less from the Washington Post!


20 posted on 10/07/2007 11:54:58 AM PDT by NKStarr
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