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Heads up!! "The War" begins tonight on PBS
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Posted on 09/23/2007 8:54:51 AM PDT by submarinerswife

Edited on 09/23/2007 9:01:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Premeires tonight at 8pm on PBS. 7 part series


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KEYWORDS: donottrust; donottrustpbs; donttrust; donttrustpbs; kenburns; militaryhistory; pbs; wwii; wwiihistory
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To: Borges
What I really like about the documentary is how Burns selected just four American cities to underscore how the War affected them, and how those cities were instrumental in helping the war effort.

True, I'm being a little biased, as I live in Waterbury, CT, but still...it's a good method.

301 posted on 09/26/2007 8:20:54 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the frequently disappointed but ever optimistic Mets fan)
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To: kabar

It’s his stylistic signature. Most of the time hearing personal recollections from various points of view is more instructive then constant ‘Voice of God’ narration.


302 posted on 09/26/2007 8:21:34 AM PDT by Borges
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To: kabar
makes it less history and more fable

Eyewitness counts just as much as documentation.

303 posted on 09/26/2007 8:21:53 AM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees today. Phase state change accomplished.)
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To: Borges

It gets to be more than stylistic if you distort events and place undo emphasis on certain events and not others. The personal recollections do not necessarily represent the majority view or even actual events. For example, one would think, based on Burns’s portrayal of events, that the USMC did all of the fighting on Guadacanal. In fact, one third of the casusalties were suffered by US Army personnel.


304 posted on 09/26/2007 8:26:25 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

There is no ‘complete’ view of a subject this titanic. At some point you have to pick and choose. If it wasn’t Guadacanal it would have been another aspect.


305 posted on 09/26/2007 8:32:19 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Just as “Band of Brothers” focused on the 101st Airborne.

If you want the complete scope of WWII, then go with “The World at War.”


306 posted on 09/26/2007 8:33:14 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: RightWhale
Eyewitness counts just as much as documentation

Nonsense. Over 16 million Americans served in uniform during WWII. They each had a different perspective of the war. Eyewitness accounts can provide a slice of what was happening, but certainly not give you the grand sweep and context of what was happening. Portraying MacArthur as some sort of coward and incompetent because a few GIs disliked him is not good "documentation." I served a year in Vietnam, but I certainly don't believe that my perspective on events is all that meaningful in terms of the total overview of the war.

Burns uses these individual experiences and perceptions [hopefully they have been vetted for their authenticity] to butress his view of the war. So far, I prefer "Victory at Sea" as a documentary on the war without all of this PC multicultural diversity crap Burns is pushing.

307 posted on 09/26/2007 8:35:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: dfwgator
If you want the complete scope of WWII, then go with “The World at War.”

If you're going to have a 'Voice of God' style documentary you may as well go with Lord Olivier doing the voice!
308 posted on 09/26/2007 8:35:44 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Or if you want an in-depth analysis of military tactics of the major battles, go with “Battlefield.”


309 posted on 09/26/2007 8:37:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: kabar

History is always a story told by the historian. I was lucky my granduncle finally told me about WW I. There was a Look or Life magazine article with some pictures of troops lining up to get on ships to go over there. He said, “Cannon fodder.” Which he might know since he was one of them.


310 posted on 09/26/2007 8:40:05 AM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees today. Phase state change accomplished.)
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To: kabar

Sorry, I think we agree except I don’t equate the editing on the Japanese internment and the Black effort.

The Japanese Americans were wronged but not in concentration camps.
The Black Americans were entirely noble in their sacrifice of the day in the hopes for a better America for their children.


311 posted on 09/26/2007 8:41:24 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: Borges
There is no ‘complete’ view of a subject this titanic. At some point you have to pick and choose. If it wasn’t Guadacanal it would have been another aspect.

Based on what I have seen so far, there have been better series on WWII including the British The World at War and our Victory at Sea. The US role has been highlighted, but fleeting mentions of the Battle of Kursk, where the Russians lost almost twice as many battle deaths as we did during the entire war, don't put the war into the correct context. I agree it was a titanic struggle that film and historians can't really do justice to. But to call Burns' collection of anecdotes to be a "documentary" about WWII is changing the meaning of the word documentary.

312 posted on 09/26/2007 8:44:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: x

I don’t believe there were any latinos or hispanics in WWII. Weren’t they invented after the war? I believe they were Americans before and during the war.


313 posted on 09/26/2007 8:44:36 AM PDT by satan
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To: RightWhale
History is always a story told by the historian. I was lucky my granduncle finally told me about WW I. There was a Look or Life magazine article with some pictures of troops lining up to get on ships to go over there. He said, “Cannon fodder.” Which he might know since he was one of them.

My next door neigbor was a member of the "Fighting 69th" during WWI. He lost a leg. He told some great stories from the perspective of the combat soldier. My father and four of his brothers served in WWII. Unlike the Civil War series, there are plenty of WWII veterans who can counter/correct Burns' version of history. I am sure that we will be hearing some of those as the series goes along.

314 posted on 09/26/2007 8:49:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: romanesq
The Black Americans were entirely noble in their sacrifice of the day in the hopes for a better America for their children.

All who served were noble, even those who were drafted. They were fighting a war of survival.

315 posted on 09/26/2007 8:51:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Thanks for the post I’ve been looking for. That’s all I need to know.


316 posted on 09/26/2007 8:53:03 AM PDT by bigjoesaddle ("What we are making is a socialist utopia" - Jim Jones)
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To: romanesq
The Japanese Americans were wronged but not in concentration camps.

My father would disagree with you. He still calls them concentration camps, as do many others of his generation. He heard the government call them concentration camps, he heard the media say it, he heard his fellow service members call them that.

Before you jump on him and everybody else from the WWII generation who referred to them as that, know that he refers to the German concentration camps as "death camps". He saw one the day after it was liberated, and so he clearly knows the difference between what the Germans did and what we did.
317 posted on 09/26/2007 8:58:55 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: kabar

We were fortunate to have grown up with those who served in WW II and were willing to talk some. That generation is disappearing rapidly and nothing will be left except what we have now. When I was a kid there were still Civil War stories about relatives being told. Just a few years ago one of the old men in the orchestra, who had served in the Navy, in the Pacific and Atlantic in WW II, asked me in all seriousness if our conductor was Japanese: it mattered to him.


318 posted on 09/26/2007 8:59:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees today. Phase state change accomplished.)
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To: Borges
If you want the complete scope of WWII, then go with “The World at War.”

Victory at Sea was not bad either. Plus the soundtrack is great.

319 posted on 09/26/2007 9:01:41 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Borges
If you want the complete scope of WWII, then go with “The World at War.”

Victory at Sea was not bad either. Plus the soundtrack is great.

320 posted on 09/26/2007 9:01:42 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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