Posted on 09/23/2007 8:00:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee
Travis, it is well known that Muhammed (MPBUH) was like extremely compassionate during his days as a caravan raider. Furthermore, right after this speech, the above-referenced Imam Abdul, and hundreds of other Moderate Muslims rushed over to FBI HQ and told the security officers on duty the names of all of his colleagues who support suicidal jihad bombers, and has requested the return of all the funds he has given to HAMAS.
Furthermore, anyone on this site who references Q'uran (note PC spelling and the absence of the article "The"), specifically those suras in that holy and peaceful book which talk about killing infidels, enslaving them , taxing them, or those which encourages lying to infidels, or those in which the making of false treaties with them is advised, is nothing but an infidel racist.
Can't we all just get along? Arafat, whose speeches in Arabic were often the exact opposite of the English translations released to the NYT, truly showed the spirit of Muslim compassion in donating AIDS-infected blood for the victims of 9-11.
There is something quite absurd about that photo.
I’m not a frequent flyer, but I took a trip last week and I can say that there have been some improvements since I flew in 2002. However, there are still huge holes and some things are worse.
jw
From its inception it has been a religion that has grown itself by systematic warfare and conquest. Unspeakable violence between Christian sects certainly took place. However, Islam and Christianity have never had their Peace of Augsburg, their Diet of Worms. Our concept of even the most begrudging religious toleration is an alien concept in Islam.
We live in the era during which Islam finally has the resources to strike around the world. There will be no epic Battles of Tours, of Lepanto, of Vienna, of Mohacs, in which we set the Muslims back for a generation of more of less peaceful co-existence.
Now we will be fighting the more active followers of Muhammed for a century, at least. They will never have the organizational ability to form traditional, national armies to face us in direct combat. Rather they will use their vast wealth as nations, or even individuals to fight us in raids around the globe.
Frankly, I believe it is a mistake to have many of them amongst us. Even if 90% of them cause no direct problem, they are the system that sustains the maniacal 10%. Jefferson's rhetorical flourishes aside, Muslims are a problem the framers of the Constitution could not foresee.
Islam is of course, not an organized religion, with a head, or ruling body. It is hydra, a multi-headed monster in which various factions compete in bloodthirstiness. SHi'ites pray for a gotterdamerung in which they will go to a sensual heaven in which unworthy Muslims and infidels will be their slaves forever; what matter to them if all life on the planet dies, and they with it? In their theology, they will have won!
In Saudi Arabia, million decibel Sunni imams call the faithful to prayer so that "Allah may give them the strength to slay the infidels in our midst."
If Islam is compassionate, where is the Muslim Army in Darfur, where Christians are slain for their religion, and if they are lucky enough to live, enslaved?
Bob J, you are looking at Islam through a Western prism and seeing what you think you ought to see, not was is there, and for this "religion," what has been there since its arrival on the planet.
No, I just don’t think we can win a war againt 1.2 billion people and that’s what we will be doing.
Militant Islam can only be defeated by Islam itself. That means separating the good and bad and turning them on each other.
From thine infidel lips to Allah the All-Merciful's ear. However this is the basic question, is Militant Islam, just plain Islam? The "non-militant" are the logistical support for the militant, are they not?
Using our exquisitely honed western logic, and applying the Pareto Priniciple, shouldn't the 80% "good Muslim" population which you are anxious to discover,make short work of the 20% of Muslim nut cases? Why would this not have happened already?
These chaps have been on our case for 14 centuries, now. Their efforts wax and wane depending upon their resources and our resolve. IMHO, the present century is just "our turn in the barrel." We have known since the 8th C AD that the Muslim's need a good housecleaning. From that time until now, it is the Christian West that has had to administer the occasional emetic, and none too pleasantly. I see no change in that situation because the Muslims have never developed any sort of self-regulatory apparatus, as any self-respecting Western Christian sect did ages ago.
Islam is an asylum with too many wings and no medical director.
We have to find a different way and this sable rattling among some here about needing to kill all Muslims "just to be sure" is not only idiotic it's dangerous. It also lends credence to opinions out there that FR is a site filled with nut jobs.
If 20% of Muslims are the bad ones, why make operational enemies of the other 80%? It doesn't make sense to increase your enemies troop strength by 400%. Why not encourage a detente with the Muslims that may hate us (because we're not muslim) but don't have any desire to fight us or go to war with us, and turn our full attentions to the 20% that are the real, current danger to us? At the minimum it allows us to focus our efforts and resources. Do you see Morocco, Algeria, Libya and even Egypt calling for our destruction? They may have some nut cases IN those countries who do (and always will), but their governments are at peace with us. Why encourage them them to join the fight by proclaiming we are war with ALL of Islam? The basic tenets of the Koran may make it impossible for Islam to ever live side by side for any length of time with non muslims. But if all we can expect is a peaceful coexistence with them in their countries and us in ours, that may be the best we can hope for. But it isn't going to happen by proclaiming we want to go to war and need kill them all otherwise we won't feel safe..
I agree.
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