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To: WesternCulture

“You shouldn’t boast, but Stockholm is the world’s most beautiful city,” said mayor Kristina Axén Olin .

- Personally I (and probably Hannibal Lecter too) would say Florence, Italy is even more beautiful than Stockholm, but let’s forget about sheer beauty and environmenal issues for a while. Instead, lets have a look at something that Reader’s Digest perhaps didn’t dare to bring up; Swedish standard of living. Reader’s Digest is one of many publications that for long have printed articles about the ‘doomed’ Swedish/Scandinavian Model of Society. I have actually come across Reader’s Digest articles from the 1950’s predicting that the economy of the ‘Socialist’ Scandinavian countries soon would collapse. Today, more than five decades later, Scandinavia is THE richest part of the world - and the gap to other rich countries is widening.

Personally, I hate Socialism, but I love Scandinavia. To me, Scandinavian economy is about Volvo, Nokia, Ericsson, IKEA, Electrolux, Lego, Carlsberg, SAAB, not Socialism. Scandinavia is one of the best examples of CAPITALIST success on this earth.

Scandinavians (although not Scandinavian companies) might suffer from higher taxes than US citizens. However, their wages are higher and they also get something in return for the taxes they pay. Scandinavians have choosen one way of organizing society and US Americans another. As long as we all believe in freedom, democracy, free markets and hard work there’s no reason for mud throwing between our different parts of the world. Let’s leave that activity to our spoiled, internet abusing youngsters.

Like said above, the standard of living in Sweden is indeed a very high one. Poverty is extinct. Whether one looks at building standards, private consumtion, leisure activities, public environments, income levels, one has to admit few other nations can compete.

Stockholm is just like NYC, Paris, Milan and London in the sense that lots of the inhabitants chose to live in apartments/condos instead of nice single houses, even if they easily could afford to do so. Still, there are a lot of nice houses in the suburbs of Stockholm. An area like Djursholm (one of the richest in the whole of Scandinavia) is worth a trip in itself.

Anyhow, to give you some kind of idea of how life in Stockholm is like in the case of ordinary Stockholm residents who do not wish to live in small, expensive apartments in the inner parts of the city:

An average Stockholm couple together earning around $ 110 000 yearly could afford these things in life (something most Europeans could not)

- A house like this (not big, but I think it’s a nice house for this kind of money):

http://bjurforsboagent.capitex.se/objbesk/allbigimg.aspx?OBJGUID=3ECD8PK3SEUQRILC&OBJTYPE=CMVilla&statf=Stockholm

- A summer house (very common in Sweden) like this:

http://bjurforsboagent.capitex.se/objbesk/allbigimg.aspx?OBJGUID=3DI298EDGK7G4RVJ&OBJTYPE=CMFritidshus&statf=Stockholm

- A car like this (Volvo V70 is the best selling car in Sweden):

http://www.volvocars.se/All-Cars-MY08/Volvo-V70-new/

(The all new V70 and XC70 will soon be for sale in the US)

So, would I like to live in Stockholm?

Nope. I prefer Gothenburg, Sweden’s second largest city. But that’s another story.


2 posted on 09/23/2007 5:59:14 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

praytell, how much is that 110 thou in euros?


3 posted on 09/23/2007 6:01:37 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (life is like "a bad Saturday Night Live skit that is done in extremely bad taste.")
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To: WesternCulture

praytell, how much is that 110 thou in euros?


4 posted on 09/23/2007 6:01:39 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (life is like "a bad Saturday Night Live skit that is done in extremely bad taste.")
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To: WesternCulture

Have you visited or lived in the US?


6 posted on 09/23/2007 6:07:35 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: WesternCulture

Nice! You make some very good points. But I prefer to live like this:

http://www.deervalleylodging.com/resort.php/DVL/OVERVIEW

[just kidding, I don’t live like that, although I do live just a few miles from there and do enjoy some great mountain resort skiing]


7 posted on 09/23/2007 6:08:35 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: WesternCulture

10 posted on 09/23/2007 6:11:50 AM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad you're not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: WesternCulture
Scandinavians have choosen one way of organizing society and US Americans another.

The entire population of Sweden is about the same as one American city, Los Angeles.

12 posted on 09/23/2007 6:15:15 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: WesternCulture

I know from experience that Stockholm is expensive as hell.


15 posted on 09/23/2007 6:20:27 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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Florence, Italy

While Florence is fine(cept all the pickpockets), I think Santorini is more beautiful. Since I've never lived in Europe, but have been all over it, I really can't say much about livability. On looks though, I think Rome in 2001 after they cleaned it up(first 6 months after 2000 new year) was stunning. It's gone downhill since, but it was just amazing when I was there in June 2001.

23 posted on 09/23/2007 6:48:48 AM PDT by Malsua
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This is evidence, that, unless the government is willing, a la Stalin, Hitler, or Mao, to ruthlessly crush liberty, it survives and thrives, as free people use what they have - their brains, to develop technologies and techniques to maintain and expand freedom, and its corollary - prosperity.


32 posted on 09/23/2007 7:13:48 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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looks like an ikea showroom.


39 posted on 09/23/2007 7:30:46 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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Whatever! If your “summer house” needs a fireplace, you’re waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far north!


47 posted on 09/23/2007 8:12:17 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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Why the high rate of suicide in the Scandanavian paradise?
58 posted on 09/23/2007 8:47:06 AM PDT by kabar
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Talking about IKEA, I been to one in CA. Like the place and the stuff they sell. Too bad they are private - would like to buy stock in the company.
76 posted on 09/24/2007 1:58:35 PM PDT by CORedneck
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