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Israelis seized nuclear material in Syrian raid
Times Online ^ | 9/23/07 | Uzi Mahnaimi and Sarah Baxter

Posted on 09/22/2007 7:30:07 PM PDT by Libloather

Israelis seized nuclear material in Syrian raid
Uzi Mahnaimi and Sarah Baxter
September 23, 2007

Israeli commandos seized nuclear material of North Korean origin during a daring raid on a secret military site in Syria before Israel bombed it this month, according to informed sources in Washington and Jerusalem.

The attack was launched with American approval on September 6 after Washington was shown evidence the material was nuclear related, the well-placed sources say.

They confirmed that samples taken from Syria for testing had been identified as North Korean. This raised fears that Syria might have joined North Korea and Iran in seeking to acquire nuclear weapons.

Israeli special forces had been gathering intelligence for several months in Syria, according to Israeli sources. They located the nuclear material at a compound near Dayr az-Zwar in the north.

Evidence that North Korean personnel were at the site is said to have been shared with President George W Bush over the summer. A senior American source said the administration sought proof of nuclear-related activities before giving the attack its blessing.

Diplomats in North Korea and China believe a number of North Koreans were killed in the strike, based on reports reaching Asian governments about conversations between Chinese and North Korean officials.

Syrian officials flew to Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, last week, reinforcing the view that the two nations were coordinating their response.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; airstrikes; axisofevil; israel; nknukes; northkorea; nuclear; raid; sayeretmatkal; sept62007; spartansixdelta; syria
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To: kabar
I doubt very much they would risk it in the air, let alone over Iraq. No, Iran wants its proxies to be able to deliver to the intended target, which is Israel. So Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas are the intended end users, not Iran. Iran is just paying for it and has a say in when to use any of it...
141 posted on 09/22/2007 9:57:46 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: shield

“...they were tipping warheads with radioactive materials on their missiles.”

We really can’t conclude on the target unless we get more information. And no one is really talking. There’s lot of inferences but nothing concrete.

What we do know is that the Syrians, North Koreans and Iranians are not happy.
Everyone else seems quietly pleased.

Besides, the people that need to know about the results of the North Korean atomic tests, already know those results in great detail. And Syria would not need to get nuclear items for a dirty bomb via North Korea. There’s other sources that would be easier is my guess.

So let’s put aside the dirty nuclear North Korean material. It’s bigger than that.


142 posted on 09/22/2007 10:02:00 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
DUH! Like Bush is going to tell YOU what he really knows.ha. ha.ha

I can’t stand the “its Bush’s fault.!” and “Bush is dumb”.

Spot on...Thank you for saving me from having to reply to that post.

143 posted on 09/22/2007 10:02:52 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: romanesq
Small price to pay for the financial rewards that are needed by them, as they sacrifice the health and well-being of their countrymen all the time. The may also not have actually had the essential people on the site, since the materials were taken before the raid, allegedly, so there would have been time to take them out of harm’s way. Send in the C team.

The protest is meaningless and was an attempt to establish that they were not in fact the one’s who spilled the beans. Plausible deniability...

Meetings with Syria mean nothing if they are looking for a big bone to through to us.

144 posted on 09/22/2007 10:03:42 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: LachlanMinnesota

It’s possible just doesn’t seem probable that after decades of failure in the paranoid nation state, there is close cooperation with the ultimate enemy: the US.

You have a good chapter for a Tom Clancy novel. I just don’t know how possible it is in fact.


145 posted on 09/22/2007 10:10:24 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: George W. Bush
Identifying the Source of Stolen Nuclear Materials

International Conference on Advances in Destructive and Non-Destructive Analysis for Environmental Monitoring and Nuclear Forensics

National Nuclear Security Administration

If it's your stuff, (insert terror-sponsoring state of your choice), we'll know. Expect a visit.

146 posted on 09/22/2007 10:14:48 PM PDT by Sender (Dar al-harb, USA)
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To: doc1019

Not true we will send sternly worded letters and sit more uprightly in our chairs so the press can talk about our changing posture toward the activities in the region.


147 posted on 09/22/2007 10:14:54 PM PDT by festus (No matter how guilty you are a jury will probably get you off.)
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To: mware

“Now that is interesting. They can determine where it came from.”

Yes - based on trace impurities etc they can fingerprint the source of the fissionable material.


148 posted on 09/22/2007 10:15:48 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: romanesq
Don’t get me wrong...I don’t think the North Koreans will cooperate in an long term agreement, as they never have. However, I do think that in light of the probably capture of those materials by either Israel or the US they figured they may as well bargain away that material to get something in return. Why not sell us the information now, that we will get eventually, anyway, and get some food help and financial help from the Great Satan.
149 posted on 09/22/2007 10:18:17 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Libloather

(clenches fists over keyboard to keep from typing WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO EVERY LEFTIST *SSH*LE WHO WENT AND VISITED WITH ASSAD)


150 posted on 09/22/2007 10:18:25 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Libloather

If Syria has it, you KNOW that Iran has it. I wonder how much they have, and if they could have given some to terrorists to build a suitcase bomb.


151 posted on 09/22/2007 10:18:31 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (It*s time for "Tea Party II" This time we*ll meet at the border and toss Mexicans back over it.)
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To: Sender

Excellent links, especially that first one.


152 posted on 09/22/2007 10:20:58 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: romanesq
I don't know about it being bigger than that....

"So - what was attacked near Dayr az-Zawr? It's possible it was North Korean "nuclear material" recently shipped to Syria, i.e., stuff to make radioactively "dirty" warheads, but nothing to make a real nuke with as the Norks don't have real nukes.

Another possibility is it was to take out a stockpile of long-range Zilzal surface-to-surface missiles recently shipped from Iran for an attack on Israel.

A third is it was a hit on the stockpile of Saddam's chemical/bio weapons snuck out of Iraq and into Syria for safekeeping before the US invasion of April 2003.

But the identity of the target is not the story - for the primary point of the attack was not to destroy that target. It was to shut down Syria's Russian air defense system during the attack. Doing so made the attack an incredible success.

Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless enemies are fun."

153 posted on 09/22/2007 10:25:46 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Why is Russia buzzing Norway’s air defense recently, do you imagine?


154 posted on 09/22/2007 10:33:29 PM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

The IAF has no choice but to regularly train to a level that Navy and USAF pilots might only see during exercises such as Red Flag or William Tell(etc.). I’m speaking of training.

Having the bad guys minutes, even seconds from your doorstep necessitates super-readiness. For the IAF, this means pushing crews and equipment to the breaking point with greater frequency than their American counterparts. The Israelis break their stuff. Our guys can’t break their stuff due to mandates, budgets, politics, and Wing Commanders wanting to keep their jobs.

I’d say we have a generation of fighter pilots who are up to speed with IAF pilots due to 15+ years of continuous operations in the ME theater. That said, our guys would be behind the curve were they to wake up, unaware, in an Israeli barracks - the Israelis are the best for their unique mission and circumstances.


155 posted on 09/22/2007 10:37:15 PM PDT by jblair (Air Force Brat)
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To: txflake

This is getting scary. What is really scaring me is why the PRC+PLA is so silent. If we can prove proliferation on the part of NK, we have a reason to take them down. The PRC will NOT want that to happen. I almost wonder if they might invade NK first just to keep it out of our hands. I hope we’re watching the PRC/NK border closely.


156 posted on 09/22/2007 10:41:56 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: popdonnelly

Sadly, where the media ought to be exposing the shear ineptitudes of Pelosi, Kucinich, et al regaridng their hugs and kisses for Assad, they will actually go out of their way to cover up the gross stupidity and dangerous naivete` of same!


157 posted on 09/22/2007 10:47:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: MHGinTN
"Sadly, where the media ought to be exposing the shear ineptitudes of Pelosi, Kucinich, et al regaridng their hugs and kisses for Assad, they will actually go out of their way to cover up the gross stupidity and dangerous naivete` of same!"

Bears repeating...



By the way, this can be used as a sign...
158 posted on 09/22/2007 10:49:37 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: txflake

I don’t have a clue...


159 posted on 09/22/2007 10:50:38 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Windcatcher

Great abd truly stated sign ... but alas, it’s too much truth for the American democrat voter because it impugns their savvy for continuing to support the bastards!


160 posted on 09/22/2007 10:59:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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