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To: Reagan Man

“>>>>>I’d say that if Reagan had doubts about abuses then he should have not signed the legislation.”
“Easy for you to say.”

Of course it is easy for us to say. Hindsight is 20/20. Yet we give Reagan a pass for this, and for Sandy Day o’connor, and for not really moving the ball on abortion much, because he was a pro-life leader. GHW Bush was pro-choice in the 1960s and prolife in the 1980s, and his main contribution to the cause was to nominate Clarence Thomas to the USSC. We dont berate GHWBush for being not-pro-life enough, even though he gave us David Souter.

Romney was in office for only 4 years, he doesn’t have a 30 year record on anything. His 4 years as governor show this record to be one of vetoing several bills based on pro-life concerns, supporting abstinence-based education, etc. His real record as governor was not bad.

McCain for overturning Roe v Wade? not in 2000:
“But we all know, and it’s obvious, that if we repeal Roe v. Wade tomorrow, thousands of young American women would be performing illegal and dangerous operations. I want us to be a party of inclusion. I think that we can all be members of the Republican party whether we are pro-choice or pro-life because we share the same goal, and that is the elimination of abortion because it’s an unpleasant and terrible procedure. We think–I think, that we must go back to the party platform of 1980 and ‘84, we include people who have this specific disagreements, who share our same goals.” (Unfortunately, this video is not dated, but given the banner across the screen, it’s from some point during McCain’s 2000 presidential campaign.)”

Rudy Guliani is sticking with a pro-abortion position:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07051408.html

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-157837611.html
Kate O’Beirne:
“ FOR decades, pro-life activists have been in the business of winning hearts and minds to their cause. Powerful arguments about the humanity of the unborn have moved public opinion, and a pro-life political force has made ambitious politicians feel the heat, whether or not they see the light. Pro-lifers’ faith in the power of persuasion has been rewarded, and their political clout increased, by important converts, including Presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Mitt Romney has also changed his position on abortion, but some social conservatives argue that membership in their ranks should be closed to this most recent convert with presidential ambitions.

In 1967, Gov. Ronald Reagan signed a liberal abortion law, declaring, “I’m fully sympathetic with attempts to liberalize the outdated abortion law now on the books in California.” Reagan later changed his mind and expressed regret for signing a measure that saw more abortions performed in California than in any other state before Roe v. Wade. He became a committed pro-life politician and backed the first pro-life plank in the Republican platform. George W. Bush ran as a pro-choice politician in his 1978 congressional campaign, but held pro-life views when he ran for the governorship of Texas in 1994. His father too once favored abortion rights, but took a pro-life position in the 1980 presidential campaign.

When Sam Brownback was running in a GOP congressional primary in 1994, he initially rebuffed a pro-life group’s endorsement, according to a recent account in The New Republic. In that article, a former president of Kansans for Life recalls that Brownback was “unfamiliar with the anti-abortion lexicon” 20 years after Roe v. Wade, and that Brownback described himself as “more in line with the view of Nancy Kassebaum,” the state’s pro-choice junior GOP senator. But Brownback wound up facing a primary challenger who, as the article puts it, “was about as pro-life as you could get without earning yourself a restraining order.” Prior to the race, Brownback had never had to defend his abortion views; but by Primary Day he was on the record as an abortion opponent. The article plausibly asserts that Brownback, who has formed a presidential exploratory committee, “is closing in on a decade as the leading social conservative in the U.S. Senate” (though Rick Santorum also has a claim to that title). “

Conclusion: Every single politician has evolving positions on this. Mitt Romney is not unique at all.


70 posted on 09/22/2007 9:12:29 PM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: WOSG
>>>>>>Conclusion: Every single politician has evolving positions on this. Mitt Romney is not unique at all.

BS!

I'm getting tired of you Romneyites lying about Reagan to lift up Mitt Boy's faltering campaign. This is all about Romney calling Reagan "adamantly pro-choice" --- a bold face lie --- as a way of diverting attention away from his own piss poor record on abortion. BTW, This isn't about Reagan, GHW Bush, John McCain, GW BUsh Sam Brownback or anyone else for that matter. This is all about Mitt Boy and his shifts on the abortion issue just before his run for president.

>>>>>Romney was in office for only 4 years, he doesn’t have a 30 year record on anything.

Don't give me that crapola. Mitt Romney has made public statements about being pro-abortion from the early 1970`s through 2005, when he suddenly had an epiphany and became a pro-lifer.

>>>>>>Yet we give Reagan a pass for this ... and for not really moving the ball on abortion much, because he was a pro-life leader.

Wrong! There was no need to give a pass to Reagan and for good reason. The 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act that Reagan signed into law did not grant abortions on demand. It wasn't a liberal abortion legislation. It was specific to the exceptions of substantial risk that would gravely impair the physical or mental health of the woman, along with rape and incest. It was advertised as a compassionate law that would be used to deal with the difficult abortion cases.

Most conservatives do see Reagan's accomplishments on the abortion issue to be significant. I posted the following list to you before. I suggest you read it this time.

Reagan's record on abortion:

*Reagan supported legislation that would allow for a challenge of Roe vs. Wade, while promoting a Human Life amendment to the US Constitution.

*Reagan adopted the "Mexico City Policy" halting federal aid to private groups promoting abortions abroad.

*The Reagan admin cut off funding to the United Nations Fund for Population Activities because the global agency violated U.S. law by participating in China's mandatory abortion program.

*The Reagan admin adopted regulations prohibiting federally funded "family planning clinics" from promoting abortion as birth control.

*Reagan himself introduced the issue of fetal pain into the public debate over abortion.

*The Reagan White House blocked use of federal money for research using the tissue of aborted babies. A forerunner to banning partial birth abortion.

*The Reagan admin helped win approval of the "Danforth Amendment," which said federally funded educational institutions could not be guilty of "sex discrimination" for refusing to pay for abortions.

*The Reagan admin was key in enactment of laws protecting the right to life of handicapped newborns.

*Reagan designated a National Sanctity of Human Life Day, to recognize the value of life at all stages.

*Reagan was the first Prez to address the annual WashDC March for Life. An annual event Reagan always spoke at.

*Reagan was America's first pro-life President, post Roe v Wade. His essay, "Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation" spelled out Reagan's strong pro-life position.

73 posted on 09/22/2007 10:11:39 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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