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Guiliani Claims An Evolution on Guns Rights
theatlantic.com via drudge ^ | 09/21/07 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 09/21/2007 9:21:31 AM PDT by Froufrou

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To: Froufrou
I have a standing bet of a six pack that says that the NRA will endorse ROOTY and their devoted followers will buy it because it’s the NRA after all and they do no wrong.
121 posted on 09/21/2007 12:55:33 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (in the halls of Valhalla...)
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122 posted on 09/21/2007 1:20:13 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: trisham

No


123 posted on 09/21/2007 1:48:20 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: Chunga
I care, chunga!
124 posted on 09/21/2007 2:41:31 PM PDT by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Please explain why the NRA will do this.


125 posted on 09/21/2007 2:42:29 PM PDT by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: Froufrou

Gosh, how could a serious wanna be President have it so wrong?


126 posted on 09/21/2007 2:43:59 PM PDT by Radix (When I became a man, I put away childish things!)
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To: Vaquero

RINO Cards?

That is hysterical.

LOL!


127 posted on 09/21/2007 2:47:43 PM PDT by Radix (When I became a man, I put away childish things!)
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To: pianomikey
For the same stupid reason that many FReepers endorse ROOTY; the flawed believe he can win. Plus the NRA is a joke and their leadership has jumped the shark.
128 posted on 09/21/2007 3:53:57 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (in the halls of Valhalla...)
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To: Chunga

“My positions are mostly the same as Mrs Clinton’s” Rudolf Julie Annie said this before his prostate cancer took him out of the race against Hitlery.


129 posted on 09/21/2007 5:21:55 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: Froufrou
Great question!!!

Questions are easy, even good ones aren't too terribly hard.

Answers, good ones, are hard, very hard.

130 posted on 09/21/2007 8:24:28 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: oldbrowser
"This man is imperfect."

We're all imperfect. Rooty's a RINO sack of sh**.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

131 posted on 09/21/2007 8:34:33 PM PDT by wku man (Claire Wolfe, is it time yet?)
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To: Grunthor
You are of course correct. I just CAN’T WAIT to see what kind of damage those weapons will do in the hands of the street gangs that roam/control large swaths of American cities.

If criminal gangs wanted SAWs, M-16, M-249s, etc, they'd have 'em. I imagine more than a few do have M-16s. However when they have intermediate power carbines, their weapon of choice seems to be the AK-47 type, usually but not exclusively semiautomatic variants, or the SKS type. AK-47s, real ones, are a drug on the international market. If there is much demand at all, they'd find their way here and into the hands of the gangs, as some have. We can't stop drugs from coming in, and we can't (or won't) stop people from coming in, what makes anyone think we can stop guns from coming in? They are much less bulky and more easily hidden, than Marijuana. They can even be broken down and smuggled in as parts, or sub assemblies.

132 posted on 09/21/2007 8:41:08 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: highball
But if not, is he seriously suggesting that calling a general some peurile name ought be punished by the government?

Only indirectly. The General has more than enough grounds to sue for defamation of character, libel and/or slander. They out and out called him a liar because he said it was his report and he did not show to anyone above him in the chain of command until he also showed it to Congress. But they said it was Bush's report and basically that he was lying for Bush. Not so long ago, those were considered "fighting words". Still are I guess, only now we fight with writs and lawyers instead of pistols at 10 paces.

The governments only role would be to supply the judge, the courtroom, and perhaps serve the papers. Oh and enforce the judgment, which could get "interesting".

133 posted on 09/21/2007 8:48:34 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: pianomikey
I’m a lefty and shoot left, and I’ve owned the same RH Sears 20g shotgun for like 15 years,

I had my 20 ga JC Higgens for a mite longer than that. It was the only gun I had from the time I was 15 until I was about 30-35, and I had it for a few years after that as well, until I traded it in on a 12 ga Browning BPS. (Dumb move!, should have just paid the extra $$ and kept the 20 for my daughters).

134 posted on 09/21/2007 8:57:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: pianomikey
Please explain why the NRA will do this.

To keep Hillary or Barak out of the White House, should Rudy win the Republican nomination.

Historically the NRA doesn't endorse candidates in the primaries.

135 posted on 09/21/2007 9:02:23 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Chunga

Rudy says a lot of things that are debatable...This article and statement he made is full of things to pick at from here to Christmas...

Rudy actually does things that make him un-electable to 1600 Pennsylvania...

He’s certainly a very personable guy, and likable, but I am simply not going to vote for him...Never was, and never will...


136 posted on 09/22/2007 3:47:11 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: El Gato
But if not, is he seriously suggesting that calling a general some peurile name ought be punished by the government?"

Only indirectly. The General has more than enough grounds to sue for defamation of character, libel and/or slander....

The governments only role would be to supply the judge, the courtroom, and perhaps serve the papers. Oh and enforce the judgment, which could get "interesting".

Sounds reasonable. The problem is that's not what Rudy actually said:

Giuliani said that MoveOn.org's ad criticizing Gen. Petreaus was out of bounds and hinted that the group should face some sort of sanction.

"They passed a line that we should not allow an American political organizations to pass," he said. "We are at war right now, whether some people want to recognize it or not."

Libel doesn't have anything to do with whether we are at war. The General has an equal claim in peacetime, so that's not what Rudy was talking about.

He said "we should not allow" such speech. I'm very curious as to what Rudy thinks "we" should do with childish free speech that we don't like.

The man is dangerous. He has demonstrated time and time again that he doesn't love freedom, only authority. We see that once again.

137 posted on 09/24/2007 10:39:56 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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