Posted on 09/20/2007 1:51:30 PM PDT by neverdem
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I agree with his recommendations, but I'm left dumbfounded.
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This guy has never read the Quran...
I am tired of people calling “Islamophobic” those who show that the Islamic terrorists are not a small extremist group...but actually so tied to the Quran...and that most Muslims support the terrorists
The “Capricorn One” types who claim “Islam is a religion of peace” and keep looking for “moderate muslims” are going to get a lot of innocent people killed
By default, anyone who accepts the legitimacy of the term “Islamophobia” either has his head up his ass (many liberals) or is a Muslim ass kisser (Most neo-cons).
Omit the first line of my last post..re-read the article
Just tired of anything referring to honest discussion of Islam as a “phobia”
Lets not have a battle of religious texts. Surely they can be interpreted in a variety of ways by adherents or non-believers. Real world behavior is enough from which to draw conclusions.
At about 1.3 billion persons, Muslims represent 20% of world population. (1)
Of 35 Ongoing Conflicts, at least 20 (57%) of them involve Muslim combatants. (2)
According to statistics gathered by the National Counterterrorism Center of the United States, Islamic extremism was responsible for approximately 57% of terrorist fatalities and 61% of woundings in 2004 and early 2005, where a terrorist perpetrator could be specified. (3)
Regarding modern slavery, the U.S. State Department records that The governments of countries in Tier 3 do not fully comply with the minimum standards including 5 non-Muslim countries plus Algeria, Bahrain, Iran, Kuwait, Malaysia, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Uzbekistan (thats 11 majority-Muslim,or 69%.) (4)
Among British Muslims, a London Times poll shows that Nearly two fifths (37 per cent) believe that the Jewish community in Britain is a legitimate target as part of the ongoing struggle for justice in the Middle East. (5)
That statistic might be academic, except, A Muslim-American man angry with Israel barged into the offices of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle Friday afternoon and opened fire with a handgun, killing one woman and wounding five others. (6) If we had not moved to Fargo, there is a good chance my wife would be dead, because the gunman walked right past her old office shooting everyone in sight. My wife knew the dead woman. One of the wounded was pregnant.
So pardon my disinterest in the Koranic text. I presume a vast majority of Muslims are fine upstanding folks. Maybe the 63% in Britain who dont want to kill me. But a really nasty and sizeable minority is sure making the majority of them look bad.
So far, and unlike Europe, home-grown terrorism has been limited. What folks really want to hear from the American Muslim community and leadership is how their continuing efforts at moderating radicals and reporting potential lawbreakers can help ensure our collective safety.
Notes
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongoing_wars
(3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_terrorism
(4) http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/00-Ratings.htm
(5) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article727952.ece
(6) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003160576_webshooting29m1.html
Note on the word Islamophobia: Roger Kimball tells me this is the wrong word. A phobia (says Roger) is an irrational fear of something. Fear of Islam is perfectly rational! I leave you to discuss this among yourselves....Perfectly rational....You Bet your life Buckwheat!, when you are threatened, you get ready to defend yourself.
Because the religion is firmly based on war and the required conversion by whatever means of the whole world, it doesn't matter that most Moslems are peaceful. There is a constant agitation among them to be True Moslems, to obey the dictates of the book. There will always be factions, sometimes small, sometimes huge, that are intent on Jihad. And these are not true "factions" because even the peaceful paynim believe in Jihad, they just are lethargic for the time being about complying with what they believe.
Every time the West is weak and not controlling the Saracen countries one way or another, the faction will be strong and Islam will expand and there will be much violence and destruction in the world.
Anthropologicaly speaking, this is incorrect. Islam has spread by threat and conquering the unwilling. It has spawned religious dictatorships and has no proof of any connection with Christianity or Judaism. The ignoratti are prolific in their denials of reality. Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it ad infinitum.
A bit long winded, but he gets it.
Rather well said.
http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=7004
Goh Tong, prime minister, Republic of Singapore
It is a fact that there is a living, vibrant Islamic ummah, or global Islamic community, perhaps more so today than in any time in modern world history. The ummah is not monolithic. But the identification that all Muslims feel for events affecting other Muslims has become real and visibly stronger and more widespread since global communications have facilitated the dahwa, or missionary activities of the Arab states, especially Saudi Arabia preaching and spreading Wahhabism with its oil wealth. Denying that there is such a globalized Muslim political and religious consciousness, or trying to argue that a universal ummah is a danger or somehow undesirable, only mobilizes all Muslims to dig in as they feel their religion is under siege.
What we are confronted with is a dynamic spectrum and not static categories within the ummah. When we ask why is it that moderates in such a spectrum do not raise their voices to challenge extremists, we must acknowledge that one reason is that, on many issues, they share much common ground, even when they disagree on particulars.
Do you seek to change the world by prayer and faith? Do you work with an imperfect reality and strive towards its perfection? Do you not reject all that is not Islamic and seek to destroy it by force so as to re-establish the perfect caliphate? These are all questions that vibrate and resonate around a single axis of faith.
We know that we should work with the moderates and isolate the extremists. But as we seek to separate the wheat from the chaff, we need to recognize that both come from the same plant. How we seek to engage and encourage the Muslim world to fight the ideological battle against the extremists must reflect this sensitivity and awareness.
"A phobia (says Roger) is an irrational fear of something. Fear of Islam is perfectly rational"!
Fear doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about islam!
I disagree with most of what the writer wrote, but this is a start...
"Keep em out; fence em off; send Muslim visitors home; keep a wary eye on Muslim citizens."
In addition, ALL the mosques should be shut down.
I would add, call islam what it is...it is NOT a religion. and shouldn't be protected as one.


Why isn’t there a Buddhistphobia? Because Buddhists haven’t bombed the world opinion poll this year.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/violence-at-heart-of-Islam.htm
The violence at the heart of Islam
by Leonard Magruder
16 Sep, 2007
Throughout Al Qaedas training manual, passages from the Koran and incidents in the life of Mohammad are presented as evidence that the groups violent acts are in accordance with the teachings of the Koran and the Prophets example. The killing of innocent civilians, they say, is a means of serving God just as surely as is their recitation of prescribed prayers. Hopefully, this interpretation is considered a heresy by most Muslim clerics, and, if so, it is urgent that these clerics speak out to clarify this to the entire world, that this violence does not represent Islam. If it does, then it means unending war between civilizations, primarily the Judeo-Christian West against Islam. Not only Muslim clergy, but clergy of all faiths should be speaking out loud and clear that it is certain that God has not told al Qaeda to kill anybody. The whole civilized world should be outraged.
But the truth of the matter is far too many voices of true authority in Islam were silent, if not approving, on September 11th. And few are the clerics in the Muslim world willing to say outright that suicide bombers are banned by the Koran, and there are few, even among Arab intellectuals and clerics, who are willing to offer a sustained and comprehensive rebuttal of the theology of bin Laden and his followers. The West, in other words, has very good reason not to count on the Muslim world to restrain the monster that has arisen from its depths.
And the reason is the terrorists are reviving a basic Islamic doctrine, jihad, to murderously attack the West and the rest of the civilized world. The terrorists are not extremists. The are the true Muslims they claim to be because they adhere strictly to the letter of the Koran, and the moderates of the Muslim world increasingly admire them for this. Most of the following verses are found in the second half, or Median period, of the Koran. In a strange practice of Koranic interpretation, they abrogate, or nullify, more gentle verses found in the first, or Meccan, half of the Koran.
Collected in Leaving Islam, by Ibn Warraq, page 405.
A) Verses that show intolerance of and incite violence against non-Muslims and other religions:
SURA
2.221 You shall not wed pagan women, unless they embrace the Faith.
3.28 Let believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful. He that does this has nothing to hope for from God.
3.85 He that chooses a religion other than Islam... in the world to come he will be one of the lost.
3.118 Believers, do not make friends with anyone but your own people.
4.101 The unbelievers are your inveterate enemies.
4.156 They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. They declared, “We have put to death the Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, the apostle of Allah. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did.
5.14 With those who said they were Christians...we stirred among them enmity and hatred which shall endure until the day of Resurrection.
5.51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends, they are friends one to another. He among you who takes them for friends is one of them.
5.72 Unbelievers are those who say God is the Messiah, the son of Mary..Unbelievers are those who say: God is one of three.
8.14 The scourge of the Fire awaits the unbelievers.
8.39 Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and Gods religion shall reign supreme.
8.67 It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land.
9.39 If you do not fight he will punish you severely, and replace you with other men.
9.5 Slay the idolators wherever you find them...lie in ambush everywhere for them.
9.73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them . Hell shall be their home, an evil fate.
22.9 Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.
47.4 When you meet the unbelievers in battle strike off their heads.
98.6 The unbelievers among the People of the Book, Christian and Jews, and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of creatures.
B) Anti-Jewish sentiment in the Koran:
2.61 Wretchedness and baseness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah.
4.16 And for the evildoing of the Jews, we have forbidden them from some good things that were previously permitted them.
5.82 Indeed you will surely find that the most vehement of men in enmity to those who believe are the Jews and the polytheists.
5.60 God has cursed the Jews, transforming them into apes and swine and those who serve the devil.
9.29 Fight against such of those have been given the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, as believe not in Allah nor the last Day.
9.30 The Jews say that Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say the Messiah is the son of Allah. Allah attack them! How perverse they are!
9.34 Many of the rabbis and the monks devour the wealth of mankind and wantonly debar men from the way of Allah.
C) Cruelty, sadism, and unusual punishments in the Koran.
5.33 Those who make war against Allah and his Apostle shall be put to death or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides.
5.38 As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah.
24.2 The adulterer and adulteress shall each be given a hundred lashes. Let no pity for them cause you to disobey God.
40.70 Those who have denied the Book and the message...with chains and shackles round their necks they shall be dragged through scalding water and burnt in the fires of Hell.
D) Hostility to women in the Koran
2:223 Women are your fields, go, then into your fields from whichever side you please.
2.228 Women shall have rights similar to those exercised against them, although men have a status above women.
4:11 A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.
4:24 Forbidden to you are married women, except those whom you own as slaves.
4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them.
33:59 Prophet, enjoin your wives, your daughters and the wives of true believers to draw their veils close around them.
E) Jihad in the Koran
2:216 Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you may dislike it.
4:74 Whoever fights on Gods path, whether he is killed or triumphs, we will give him a handsome reward.
8:12 I will instil terror into the hearts of the Infidels, strike off the heads then, and strike off from them every fingertip.
9:39 If you do not fight, He will punish you severely, and put others in your place.
9:5 Kill those who join other gods with God (the Trinity, polytheism) wherever you may find them.
9:111 Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for his cause, kill and be killed.
9:123 Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you, let them find harshness in you.
For a clear evidence of what these verses mean for the Sharia, or Islamic law, we have but to look at its practice at any number of places in our present-day world. Wherever Muslims live under Sharia law adulterers are publicly flogged or stoned to death, sometimes before thousands of spectators in public stadiums. There are no rights for women or children, with women genitally mutilated, and beaten in the streets for the slightest infraction. They care nothing for other beliefs, about being fair, have no juries, no free speech. Television and radio are forbidden, music and dance prohibited. It is their way or execution, the death penalty, with no appeal, no delay. You are simply shot in the head where you stand, and your children shot before you. And these practices of the Sharia, once largely confined to the Middle East, even though mostly finished in Afghanistan, are now spreading to other parts of the world.
This is what caused Muslim children to dance in the streets when they heard of the murder of 3000 innocent Americans, caused Muslim clerics to nod their heads in approval. The dream of Muslims that this stupefying tyranny will triumph over the world is utterly unbelievable. We doubt that any religion in history has ever held to such a barbaric code of morality.
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Contact author at Magruder44@aol.com
Thanks Fred. Great to see you!
I am tired of being called “Islamophobic” because I am not in the least afraid of the rock-chucking cavemen.
Nation-wide Campaign for Veiling of Sculptures and Statues in Germany by Hans Maier
19 Sep, 2007
On the 18 September 2007, several female statues and sculptures in the cities of Berlin, Braunschweig, Bremen, Hamburg, Cologne, Witten, and Wuppertal are veiled with a Burka and a headscarf.
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