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Islamophobophobia
National Review Online ^ | September 20, 2007 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 09/20/2007 1:51:30 PM PDT by neverdem







Islamophobophobia

By John Derbyshire

I boxed a couple of brief rounds with Robert Spencer over at Pajamas Media last month. Robert is the author of a raft of books on the general theme that Islam is a bad religion — not merely bad in some current misinterpretation, but bad root and branch, its badness planted right there in the Islamic scriptures. Spencer himself is a devout Christian, and the Pajamas Media exchanges started when I posted a review of his latest book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t.

I don’t really have anything more to say about Robert and his book. If he has more to say, no doubt he will say it on his website jihadwatch. He seemed like a pretty good egg in our behind-the-scenes e-mail exchanges, and our disagreements are cordial. Rather, I want to look at Islamophobia** in general, and ruminate on the odd fact that I don’t much like it.

It’s odd that I don’t like Islamophobia because I would answer a prompt yes to all the following questions.

As religions go, and taking historical and geographical variations into account, has Islam been, on average, the most intolerant and obscurantist of the big world faiths?

Whatever may have been the case in the past, and however things may develop in the future, is it true that Islam today is bringing forth an exceptionally large crop of homicidal fanatics willing to perform deeds of staggering cruelty, inhumanity, and stupidity in the name of their religion?

Would it be wise of Western countries, in the present state of affairs, to “fence off” Islam — that is, to deny entry to foreign Muslims, to expel — regretfully, politely, and humanely, but firmly — resident foreign Muslims, and to restrict the activities of Muslim citizens (preventing them, for example, from proselytizing in our jails, or working in defense establishments)?

Has Islamic civilization, wherever it has settled, been, by comparison with Western civilization, culturally very arid? (Thanks to Bill Buckley, in a private conversation on this topic, for the mot juste there.)

So what’s my beef with the Islamophobes? Reading through that list, don’t I myself deserve an honorary life membership in Islamophobes International? Why, when I read books like Robert Spencer’s, do I feel my irritation — my Islamophobophobia — rising?


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A part of it is my dislike of narrow-minded ideological boosterism, of which there is a lot in the Islamophobe business. Many of the noisiest Islamophobes are committed Christians of one kind or another, usually of the angry kind — the same people, I suspect, who e-mail in to tell me that I am a “nihilist” with no morals.

This isn’t the case with all Islamophobes. Bat Ye’or is Jewish; Ibn Warraq seems to be an agnostic; and a quick trawl of public opinion in India would, I am sure, turn up several million angry Hindu Islamophobes. (I don’t imagine Buddhists are too happy about what the Taliban did to those statues of theirs, either.)

So the irritating (to an outsider) boosterist factor — committed religious types determined to show that their own revelation is true! true! and good! good! while the other person’s is lies! lies! and bad! bad! — are only a part of the issue I have with Islamophobia...

(Though before leaving that topic, I’d like to record a whiff of something defensive I think I detect in Western Islamophobes. There is, I think, a vague fear that the antics of the jihadists may be discrediting all religion. In a Western world that is, many religious people feel, yielding to creeping secularization, religion is on the defensive. The jihadis are religious, and they’re nuts: one more data point for the people who want to tell you that all religions are nuts. There’s much more to be said about that, but it’s a digression here.)

Heaven forbid anyone should take me for a multiculturalist — “All religions are equally good!” See my first bullet point above. Still less am I a Hitchensite — “All religions are equally bad!”

It is none the less true that Islam, whatever its failings, is an ancient and respectable religion that comforts and sustains hundreds of millions of souls, and has provided one of the organizing principles for numerous substantial civilizations. Possibly those civilizations weren’t to your taste. They probably wouldn’t have been to mine, either. If you have ever thought seriously and imaginatively about what life is like in a state of barbarism, though, you will acknowledge that even not-to-your-taste civilizations are a vast improvement on the other thing.

It is likewise true, even on the worst figures (which can be found in Mark Steyn’s book, on page 76 for example), that the great majority of present-day Muslims don’t approve of terrorism, and would like to live lives of peace, prosperity, and security.

As to my third bullet point — I’m working through them — it is surely clear now that our troubles with immigrant Muslims are a mere aspect of our larger troubles with the great floods of Third World immigrants we have allowed to come into our countries this past forty years. This was a horrible and insane blunder, as wise men pointed out very early in the process. “Diversity” is a bust. The Diversity Theorem...

The Diversity Theorem: Groups of people from anywhere in the world, mixed together in any numbers and proportions whatsoever, will eventually settle down as a harmonious society, appreciating — nay, celebrating! — their differences... which will of course soon disappear entirely.


...is quite plainly false. At this point in world history, you have to be an idiot to believe it. I leave for discussion another time the melancholy fact that huge swathes of the American ruling class do believe it, or pretend to.

Would I exclude foreign Muslims from settlement in the U.S.A.? Yes, I would; but this is not actually saying much, as I would stop all mass immigration if I could. Islam needs particular attention because of the sheer quantity of lunacy it has thrown up in the present generation; but it is not the only counterexample to the Diversity Theorem, only the most pressing one.

As to the cultural aridity of Islamic civilizations: well, yes. This is not an exceptionalism belonging to Islam, though. The exceptionalism belongs to us, to the West. We are dynamic and creative; we are fired by curiosity to inquire into the natural order; we are driven by imagination to set off and explore remote places; our culture progresses through developmental stages, each building on the last: Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassical... Renaissance, Reformation, Enlightenment... Romanesque, Gothic, Perpendicular... Classical, Romantic, Modern... City-state, empire, feudalism, monarchy, constitutionalism...

We are the exception: civilization-wise, stasis and aridity are the rule, not just in Islam, but everywhere. Halfway through his monumental History of China (1882), Demetrius Boulger broke off from the long catalog of border wars and palace plots to offer this illuminating apology to his readers:

It might be more instructive to trace the growth of thought among the masses, or to indicate the progress of civil and political freedom; yet not only do the materials not exist for such a task, but those we possess all tend to show that there has been no growth to describe, no progress to be indicated during these comparatively recent centuries. It is the peculiar and distinguishing characteristic of Chinese history that the people and their institutions have remained practically unchanged ... from a very early period. Even the introduction of a foreign element has not tended to disturb the established order of things. The supreme ruler preserves the same attributes and discharges the same functions; the governing classes are chosen in the same manner; the people are bound in the same state of servitude, and enjoy the same practical liberty; all is now as it was. Neither under the Tangs nor the Sungs, undeer the Yuans or the Mings [i.e. from the seventh to the seventeenth centuries — these are the names of Chinese dynasties] was there any change in national character or in political institutions to be noted or chronicled. ... This condition of things may be disappointing to those who pride themselves in tracing the origin of constitutions and the growth of civil rights, and who would have a history of China the history of the Chinese people ... the fact is undoubted that there is no history of the Chinese people, apart from that of their country, to be recorded. The national institutions and character were formed, and had attained in all essentials to their present state, more than 2,000 years ago.


Boulger was wrong, too: far from being the “peculiar and distinguishing characteristic of Chinese history,” this stasis, this aridity, can be seen in all civilizations, except our own. It is the normal state of affairs. The ancient Egyptians and Persians, the Maurya and Gupta dynasties of India; the Japanese; the Mesoamerican civilizations, the old Mesopotamian empires — there was not a lick of progress in any of them across their entire existences, compared with what happened in any hundred years of European civilization. (Tennyson’s soldier didn’t even ask for a hundred: “Better fifty years of Europe than a cycle of Cathay.”)

Where there is no civilization, the stasis is even more pronounced. Artifact styles from preliterate cultures often show no significant change across millennia. You want stasis and aridity? You want reactionary obscurantism and absence of curiosity, of imagination? The world’s been full of it, everywhere... except in that one boggy corner of northwest Eurasia, among the fidgety descendants of that hunting band who crossed the Bosphorus into the Balkans two thousand generations ago.

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I’m therefore inclined to cut Islam some slack. It’s a religion, bringing the consolations of faith to multitudes. Most of its believers are decent people, who pay no attention to the fiercer verses of scripture.

(I think intellectuals always overestimate the interest ordinary people have in texts, including religious texts. How many non-intellectual Christians could name the books of the Bible — or even just of the New Testament — in order? I never could. Similarly with doctrine, which most believers shrug off if it proves seriously inconvenient to them. All through the middle and later 20th century the Roman Catholic authorities were preaching against the sin of artificial contraception. As they did so, actual Catholics were taking to artificial contraception in droves, while continuing to attend Mass with their consciences very little disturbed.)

I’ll even admit to seeing some appeal in Islam. I think this came through in my review of Robert Spencer’s book.

An ordinary human being, or at least, an ordinary human male, ought to want some militancy in his religion. I noted in my review that if Robert’s subtitle is a true statement — i.e. that Christianity is a religion of peace, while Islam isn’t — then the result of a real clash between the two faiths would be a foregone conclusion! Surely it is plain from history that if Christianity had no militant component — no inbuilt justifications for homicide — it would not have made it through the Middle Ages.

There is both a male and a female principle in any religion, but usually one or other principle is to some degree more prominent. Judaism is, in (I think) obvious ways, a more “masculine” religion than Christianity or Buddhism; the Old Testament more “masculine” than the New; and within Christianity, Protestantism is more “masculine” than Catholicism. Islam strikes an outside observer as the most “masculine” of all the big faiths.

I have recently been reading Paul Scott’s series of novels about the last years of British India. It’s hard not to notice that the British rulers of India, especially the military men, rather favored Muslims over Hindus. You get the same impression from Kipling’s stories, and from George MacDonald Fraser’s Flashman books. There was a perception that Hinduism was a bit snivelly, pacifistic, commercial, and lower-middle-class.

This is very unfair to Hinduism, whose most sacred text, after all, is a battlefield conversation, and whose military castes could, at the height of their vigor, have given any samurai or ghazi a run for his money. (And that’s not even to mention the fightingest Hindus of all.)

The perception was plainly there, though. It was much fortified in later years by Gandhi, with his doctrine of non-violence, his spindly frame, his fussiness about diet and sex, his high-pitched voice and his clerkish glasses. (Gandhi’s War Medal — for organizing a battlefield ambulance corps in the Boer War — was conveniently forgotten.) Hindus were wimpy; Islam was a fighting faith, a manly faith.

I think what worked against Hinduism here was the caste system. Sure, there were fighting Hindus, but they were a caste, a well-defined fragment of the population. The other castes prayed, ruled, made money, or cleaned out the head, but they weren’t expected to bother much about fighting.

In Islam, by contrast, every man, however he makes his living, is a soldier of the faith. This resonated with British military men. To this day, if you show up at a recruiting station to join the British army, the NCO will tell you: “Yes, you may get trained for something useful. You may become a cook, a driver, an engineer. There are great opportunities. But first we’ll make a soldier out of you.” In an Anglo-Saxon army, everyone — from the guy in the landing-craft to the rearmost of the REMFs — is a fighting man, who knows how to use a weapon and keep it clean. Islam’s a lot like that. I think that was the appeal to India’s British rulers.

A fighting faith is of course a proud faith, and nothing pumps poison into the bloodstream like pride brought low. Inside every Muslim today there is a voice whispering: “Our faith is so pure and true, our civilizations lasted so long and ruled so many, our God was so potent: yet here we are in the modern world, backward and poor except where accidents of nature have blessed us, our rulers corrupt, our culture mocked or ignored, our people squabbling among themselves, or fleeing the homelands to work as taxi drivers and menials in the great glittering cities of the infidels, those homelands themselves part-stolen by the wretched Jews. It’s all wrong, wrong, wrong! Grrrrr!!!

That’s the Islam we’re up against. I don’t myself believe we can do much to reform it. Muslims have to do that for themselves. Any helping hand we reach out will be spat upon. While they sort out their problems, though, I do think we should keep Islam at arm’s length, for our own safety. Keep ’em out; fence ’em off; send Muslim visitors home; keep a wary eye on Muslim citizens. Leave them the consolations of their faith, though; stop trying to convince me that there is no good at all in that faith; and, if you’re the praying type, pray that the good will prevail at last.

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**Note on the word “Islamophobia”: Roger Kimball tells me this is the wrong word. A phobia (says Roger) is an irrational fear of something. Fear of Islam is perfectly rational! I leave you to discuss this among yourselves.



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I leave you to discuss this among yourselves.

I agree with his recommendations, but I'm left dumbfounded.

1 posted on 09/20/2007 1:51:38 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: jan in Colorado

ping


2 posted on 09/20/2007 1:53:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: All

This guy has never read the Quran...

I am tired of people calling “Islamophobic” those who show that the Islamic terrorists are not a small extremist group...but actually so tied to the Quran...and that most Muslims support the terrorists

The “Capricorn One” types who claim “Islam is a religion of peace” and keep looking for “moderate muslims” are going to get a lot of innocent people killed


3 posted on 09/20/2007 1:57:55 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (FantasyCollegeBlitz.com)
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To: neverdem

By default, anyone who accepts the legitimacy of the term “Islamophobia” either has his head up his ass (many liberals) or is a Muslim ass kisser (Most neo-cons).


4 posted on 09/20/2007 1:58:23 PM PDT by Brakeman (Self delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly - Ronald Reagan)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Omit the first line of my last post..re-read the article

Just tired of anything referring to honest discussion of Islam as a “phobia”


5 posted on 09/20/2007 1:59:55 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (FantasyCollegeBlitz.com)
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To: neverdem

Let’s not have a battle of religious texts. Surely they can be interpreted in a variety of ways by adherents or non-believers. Real world behavior is enough from which to draw conclusions.

At about 1.3 billion persons, Muslims represent 20% of world population. (1)

Of 35 “Ongoing Conflicts,” at least 20 (57%) of them involve Muslim combatants. (2)

“According to statistics gathered by the National Counterterrorism Center of the United States, Islamic extremism was responsible for approximately 57% of terrorist fatalities and 61% of woundings in 2004 and early 2005, where a terrorist perpetrator could be specified.” (3)

Regarding modern slavery, the U.S. State Department records that “The governments of countries in Tier 3 do not fully comply with the minimum standards” including 5 non-Muslim countries plus Algeria, Bahrain, Iran, Kuwait, Malaysia, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Uzbekistan (that’s 11 majority-Muslim,or 69%.) (4)

Among British Muslims, a London Times poll shows that “Nearly two fifths (37 per cent) believe that the Jewish community in Britain is a legitimate target ‘as part of the ongoing struggle for justice in the Middle East’.” (5)

That statistic might be academic, except, “A Muslim-American man angry with Israel barged into the offices of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle Friday afternoon and opened fire with a handgun, killing one woman and wounding five others.” (6) If we had not moved to Fargo, there is a good chance my wife would be dead, because the gunman walked right past her old office shooting everyone in sight. My wife knew the dead woman. One of the wounded was pregnant.

So pardon my disinterest in the Koranic text. I presume a vast majority of Muslims are fine upstanding folks. Maybe the 63% in Britain who don’t want to kill me. But a really nasty and sizeable minority is sure making the majority of them look bad.

So far, and unlike Europe, home-grown terrorism has been limited. What folks really want to hear from the American Muslim community and leadership is how their continuing efforts at moderating radicals and reporting potential lawbreakers can help ensure our collective safety.

Notes
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongoing_wars
(3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_terrorism
(4) http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/00-Ratings.htm
(5) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article727952.ece
(6) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003160576_webshooting29m1.html


6 posted on 09/20/2007 2:00:03 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mitt bit the apple. Hillary will stuff it down your throat!)
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To: neverdem
While they sort out their problems, though, I do think we should keep Islam at arm’s length, for our own safety. Keep ’em out; fence ’em off; send Muslim visitors home; keep a wary eye on Muslim citizens.

Works for me.
7 posted on 09/20/2007 2:04:39 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: neverdem

Note on the word “Islamophobia”: Roger Kimball tells me this is the wrong word. A phobia (says Roger) is an irrational fear of something. Fear of Islam is perfectly rational! I leave you to discuss this among yourselves....Perfectly rational....You Bet your life Buckwheat!, when you are threatened, you get ready to defend yourself.


8 posted on 09/20/2007 2:20:07 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: neverdem
that the great majority of present-day Muslims don’t approve of terrorism

Because the religion is firmly based on war and the required conversion by whatever means of the whole world, it doesn't matter that most Moslems are peaceful. There is a constant agitation among them to be True Moslems, to obey the dictates of the book. There will always be factions, sometimes small, sometimes huge, that are intent on Jihad. And these are not true "factions" because even the peaceful paynim believe in Jihad, they just are lethargic for the time being about complying with what they believe.

Every time the West is weak and not controlling the Saracen countries one way or another, the faction will be strong and Islam will expand and there will be much violence and destruction in the world.

9 posted on 09/20/2007 2:22:44 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: neverdem
It is none the less true that Islam, whatever its failings, is an ancient and respectable religion that comforts and sustains hundreds of millions of souls, and has provided one of the organizing principles for numerous substantial civilizations.

Anthropologicaly speaking, this is incorrect. Islam has spread by threat and conquering the unwilling. It has spawned religious dictatorships and has no proof of any connection with Christianity or Judaism. The ignoratti are prolific in their denials of reality. Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it ad infinitum.

10 posted on 09/20/2007 2:28:19 PM PDT by x_plus_one (A nation ashamed of its past will fear its future.)
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To: neverdem

A bit long winded, but he gets it.


11 posted on 09/20/2007 2:30:20 PM PDT by monday
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To: ThanhPhero

Rather well said.


12 posted on 09/20/2007 2:30:25 PM PDT by scory
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To: ThanhPhero

http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=7004

Goh Tong, prime minister, Republic of Singapore

It is a fact that there is a living, vibrant Islamic ummah, or global Islamic community, perhaps more so today than in any time in modern world history. The ummah is not monolithic. But the identification that all Muslims feel for events affecting other Muslims has become real and visibly stronger and more widespread since global communications have facilitated the dahwa, or missionary activities of the Arab states, especially Saudi Arabia preaching and spreading Wahhabism with its oil wealth. Denying that there is such a globalized Muslim political and religious consciousness, or trying to argue that a universal ummah is a danger or somehow undesirable, only mobilizes all Muslims to dig in as they feel their religion is under siege.

What we are confronted with is a dynamic spectrum and not static categories within the ummah. When we ask why is it that moderates in such a spectrum do not raise their voices to challenge extremists, we must acknowledge that one reason is that, on many issues, they share much common ground, even when they disagree on particulars.

Do you seek to change the world by prayer and faith? Do you work with an imperfect reality and strive towards its perfection? Do you not reject all that is not Islamic and seek to destroy it by force so as to re-establish the perfect caliphate? These are all questions that vibrate and resonate around a single axis of faith.

We know that we should work with the moderates and isolate the extremists. But as we seek to separate the wheat from the chaff, we need to recognize that both come from the same plant. How we seek to engage and encourage the Muslim world to fight the ideological battle against the extremists must reflect this sensitivity and awareness.


13 posted on 09/20/2007 2:39:02 PM PDT by dirtboy (Chertoff needs to move out of DC, not move to Justice.)
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To: neverdem; USF; Fred Nerks; AmericanArchConservative; Just A Nobody
Thanks for the ping!

"A phobia (says Roger) is an irrational fear of something. Fear of Islam is perfectly rational"!

Fear doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about islam!

I disagree with most of what the writer wrote, but this is a start...

"Keep ’em out; fence ’em off; send Muslim visitors home; keep a wary eye on Muslim citizens."

In addition, ALL the mosques should be shut down.
I would add, call islam what it is...it is NOT a religion. and shouldn't be protected as one.

They make no secret what their intentions are
yet so many just continue to keep their heads in the sand.


14 posted on 09/20/2007 2:56:11 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and you will find things only evil and inhuman")
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To: jan in Colorado

Why isn’t there a Buddhistphobia? Because Buddhists haven’t bombed the world opinion poll this year.


15 posted on 09/20/2007 3:04:09 PM PDT by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" by Tamara Wilhite)
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To: jan in Colorado

http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/violence-at-heart-of-Islam.htm

The violence at the heart of Islam
by Leonard Magruder

16 Sep, 2007

Throughout Al Qaeda’s training manual, passages from the Koran and incidents in the life of Mohammad are presented as evidence that the group’s violent acts are in accordance with the teachings of the Koran and the Prophet’s example. The killing of innocent civilians, they say, is a means of serving God just as surely as is their recitation of prescribed prayers. Hopefully, this interpretation is considered a heresy by most Muslim clerics, and, if so, it is urgent that these clerics speak out to clarify this to the entire world, that this violence does not represent Islam. If it does, then it means unending war between civilizations, primarily the Judeo-Christian West against Islam. Not only Muslim clergy, but clergy of all faiths should be speaking out loud and clear that it is certain that God has not told al Qaeda to kill anybody. The whole civilized world should be outraged.

But the truth of the matter is far too many voices of true authority in Islam were silent, if not approving, on September 11th. And few are the clerics in the Muslim world willing to say outright that suicide bombers are banned by the Koran, and there are few, even among Arab intellectuals and clerics, who are willing to offer a sustained and comprehensive rebuttal of the theology of bin Laden and his followers. The West, in other words, has very good reason not to count on the Muslim world to restrain the monster that has arisen from its depths.

And the reason is the terrorists are reviving a basic Islamic doctrine, jihad, to murderously attack the West and the rest of the civilized world. The terrorists are not “extremists.” The are the true Muslims they claim to be because they adhere strictly to the letter of the Koran, and the moderates of the Muslim world increasingly admire them for this. Most of the following verses are found in the second half, or Median period, of the Koran. In a strange practice of Koranic interpretation, they “abrogate,” or nullify, more gentle verses found in the first, or Meccan, half of the Koran.

Collected in “Leaving Islam”, by Ibn Warraq, page 405.

A) Verses that show intolerance of and incite violence against non-Muslims and other religions:

SURA

2.221 You shall not wed pagan women, unless they embrace the Faith.

3.28 Let believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful. He that does this has nothing to hope for from God.

3.85 He that chooses a religion other than Islam... in the world to come he will be one of the lost.

3.118 Believers, do not make friends with anyone but your own people.

4.101 The unbelievers are your inveterate enemies.

4.156 They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. They declared, “We have put to death the Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, the apostle of Allah.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did.

5.14 With those who said they were Christians...we stirred among them enmity and hatred which shall endure until the day of Resurrection.

5.51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends, they are friends one to another. He among you who takes them for friends is one of them.

5.72 Unbelievers are those who say “God is the Messiah, the son of Mary”..Unbelievers are those who say: “God is one of three.”

8.14 The scourge of the Fire awaits the unbelievers.

8.39 Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.

8.67 It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land.

9.39 If you do not fight he will punish you severely, and replace you with other men.

9.5 Slay the idolators wherever you find them...lie in ambush everywhere for them.

9.73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them . Hell shall be their home, an evil fate.

22.9 Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.

47.4 When you meet the unbelievers in battle strike off their heads.

98.6 The unbelievers among the People of the Book, Christian and Jews, and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of creatures.

B) Anti-Jewish sentiment in the Koran:

2.61 Wretchedness and baseness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah.

4.16 And for the evildoing of the Jews, we have forbidden them from some good things that were previously permitted them.

5.82 Indeed you will surely find that the most vehement of men in enmity to those who believe are the Jews and the polytheists.

5.60 God has cursed the Jews, transforming them into apes and swine and those who serve the devil.

9.29 Fight against such of those have been given the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, as believe not in Allah nor the last Day.

9.30 The Jews say that Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say the Messiah is the son of Allah. Allah attack them! How perverse they are!

9.34 Many of the rabbis and the monks devour the wealth of mankind and wantonly debar men from the way of Allah.

C) Cruelty, sadism, and unusual punishments in the Koran.

5.33 Those who make war against Allah and his Apostle shall be put to death or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides.

5.38 As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah.

24.2 The adulterer and adulteress shall each be given a hundred lashes. Let no pity for them cause you to disobey God.

40.70 Those who have denied the Book and the message...with chains and shackles round their necks they shall be dragged through scalding water and burnt in the fires of Hell.

D) Hostility to women in the Koran

2:223 Women are your fields, go, then into your fields from whichever side you please.

2.228 Women shall have rights similar to those exercised against them, although men have a status above women.

4:11 A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.

4:24 Forbidden to you are married women, except those whom you own as slaves.

4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them.

33:59 Prophet, enjoin your wives, your daughters and the wives of true believers to draw their veils close around them.

E) Jihad in the Koran

2:216 Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you may dislike it.

4:74 Whoever fights on God’s path, whether he is killed or triumphs, we will give him a handsome reward.

8:12 I will instil terror into the hearts of the Infidels, strike off the heads then, and strike off from them every fingertip.

9:39 If you do not fight, He will punish you severely, and put others in your place.

9:5 Kill those who join other gods with God (the Trinity, polytheism) wherever you may find them.

9:111 Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for his cause, kill and be killed.

9:123 Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you, let them find harshness in you.

For a clear evidence of what these verses mean for the Sharia, or Islamic law, we have but to look at its practice at any number of places in our present-day world. Wherever Muslims live under Sharia law adulterers are publicly flogged or stoned to death, sometimes before thousands of spectators in public stadiums. There are no rights for women or children, with women genitally mutilated, and beaten in the streets for the slightest infraction. They care nothing for other beliefs, about being fair, have no juries, no free speech. Television and radio are forbidden, music and dance prohibited. It is their way or execution, the death penalty, with no appeal, no delay. You are simply shot in the head where you stand, and your children shot before you. And these practices of the Sharia, once largely confined to the Middle East, even though mostly finished in Afghanistan, are now spreading to other parts of the world.

This is what caused Muslim children to dance in the streets when they heard of the murder of 3000 innocent Americans, caused Muslim clerics to nod their heads in approval. The dream of Muslims that this stupefying tyranny will triumph over the world is utterly unbelievable. We doubt that any religion in history has ever held to such a barbaric code of morality.

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Contact author at Magruder44@aol.com


16 posted on 09/20/2007 3:49:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks Fred. Great to see you!


17 posted on 09/20/2007 3:52:05 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and you will find things only evil and inhuman")
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

I am tired of being called “Islamophobic” because I am not in the least afraid of the rock-chucking cavemen.


18 posted on 09/20/2007 3:58:29 PM PDT by SENTINEL (USMC GWI (MY GOD IS GOD, ROCKCHUCKER !!))
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To: jan in Colorado
http://www.islam-watch.org/Europe/Veiling-Sculptures-and-Statues-in-Germany.htm

Nation-wide Campaign for Veiling of Sculptures and Statues in Germany by Hans Maier

19 Sep, 2007

On the 18 September 2007, several female statues and sculptures in the cities of Berlin, Braunschweig, Bremen, Hamburg, Cologne, Witten, and Wuppertal are veiled with a Burka and a headscarf.


19 posted on 09/20/2007 3:58:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: jan in Colorado; neverdem
Muslim Bludgeons, Strangles, Stabs, and Burns Girlfriend's Family Father and Sister brutally murdered. Mother beaten, burned, and left unconscious outside the family's blazing home.


20 posted on 09/20/2007 4:34:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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