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Dobson Says He Won't Support Thompson
AP ^ | 9/19/07 | Erik Gorski

Posted on 09/19/2007 7:14:10 PM PDT by pissant

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To: Saundra Duffy

Hi Saundra,

Understand that to me Mormon’s as people are just people, as good, bad, ordinary, and extraordinary as all of us. There isn’t a bit of animosity towards Mormons as a group in me or in most Christians. For those outside of Utah and a few states in the west, we rarely come in contact with Mormons. Online here at Free Republic, I think you get a lot of former Mormons who had some bad done to them either when they were in the church or when leaving the church, so they may have personal feelings about it. For me, it’s not personal, I just looked at Mormonism as Romney began his run for President, and I realized the extent and nature of the Mormon church as a cult that has lasted over a hundred years. It’s the mixture of lies with the truth that is so dangerous in Mormonism to the individual Mormon, because they can point to good and true things and feel like it somehow erases the false and the harmful. I truly believe, from what I know of the Mormon history, that Joseph Smith with his “seer stones,” false “translations” of Egyption hyroglyphics, 15 or so “wives” (many married to other men as well as him), etc., I believe he was a low level con man that started a small cult and used his followers. So for me, Mormonism is a tragedy, since it is so transparently false given its founder Joseph Smith, and because there is several million modern Mormons who remain fooled by a man long dead. Men won’t become God . . . to anyone, ever. It’s a false and dangerous doctrine. There is one God. There is no one else like him . . . he alone is God. Anway, I hope some day you see some of this and it saves you.

Godspeed.

Greg


1,141 posted on 09/24/2007 8:21:27 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Greg F
1-Sorry, my Mormon FRiend. No group of Christians, from any church consider Mormon’s Christian.

No not all faiths feel that way, also what you are saying is an opinion which you try to give the perception and not a fact.

2- The reasons are that you are polytheists, believing in many gods; that you believe that you can become gods (which is the oldest of the lies of Satan);

We are not poly at all that is your distortion of what the LDS beleive.

I call it Godhead that the Father and Son & Holy Ghost, are 3 personages and you call it Trintiy and that they are 3 in one, but I would not berate you, nor your doctrine!

3-that you follow “scripture” that contradicts the Bible; that you deny the absolute truth of the Bible;

It is your choice to work with a half a loaf which creates a lack of understanding so to your mind it seems to contradict which when understood by the Holy Ghost one is filled with Joy!

4-that you condemn Christians as apostate; that you believe Joseph Smith takes part in your judgement at the end of time before Christ; etc.

The Church does not condemn because for the apostaty it is something that happen to you not something you did, when this took place you were not even born!

5-Am I a Mormon? If no, then who (put in a haughty tone here) “appointed you arbiter?”

You are the one calling our doctrine from Satan I would not call asking that question Haunty I would call it reasonable it is you who was judging us from an unrigheous place!

I am a convert by the power of the Holy Ghost and you will hear simular from converts why they move on from MS religion seeking answers and being fullfil in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!

I wish those who are satisfied and comfotable in their faith God Bless.

1,142 posted on 09/24/2007 8:30:30 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to do the right thing! Press Forward Mitt!)
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To: Greg F

Like I said you are judging the LDS from your natural man finite mind it is not from the spirit of righteousness which does not even seem to phase you when it is pointed out to what the Bible says!

You know the Bible you claim to honor but seem to pick and choose instead of what the Lord counsel!

Whether directly or indirectly when you call our prophet false and our doctrine from the devil you are calling the LDS fools and liar and hypocrtes!

You mock and make fun of the inherent attributes of the Holy Ghost in how the Holy Spirit communicates with a child of God.

If you only had one in the Godhead the Jewish people would not have disputed with Jesus!


1,143 posted on 09/24/2007 8:49:05 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to do the right thing! Press Forward Mitt!)
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To: Greg F
You are spouting anti-Christian B.S. Many, many Christian churches, Christians, ministers and priests helped the Jews in Hitler’s Germany.
ROFL!
Helped them? That's why they were exterminated?
Hitler campaigned on "family values" and he revived Christianity in Europe. If German Christians had not voted for him no one today would even remember his name.
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1,144 posted on 09/24/2007 8:53:41 AM PDT by radioman
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To: AFA-Michigan
Provide an example of evangelical Christian Americans imposing anything at the point of a gun.

I pay taxes to the Church. Pat Robertson alone rakes in over $1.5 million in tax dollars. If I don't pay my taxes men with guns will come to my home.

Want more?
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1,145 posted on 09/24/2007 8:59:42 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman

Your post is nonsense. Your statement that Hitler “revived Christianity in Europe” is bogus and insulting to Christians. Here is a link to the OSS (office of strategic services) report for the Nuremberg trials regarding Hitler’s persecution of the Christian churches:

http://www.geocities.com/nazis_persecuted_churches/part-one.html

Read it, it’s PDF and not super-easy, but beginning at Document 4 (the table of contents) it is readable and it’s worth it. If you are intellectually honest, after reading it, you should apologize for spreading leftist anti-Christian propaganda.


1,146 posted on 09/24/2007 9:29:10 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Greg F
Read it
Don't need to...I lived it.
1,147 posted on 09/24/2007 9:38:50 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman
Of course you won’t read it. Ron Paul is your candidate but you blather on about Nazis; we face Islamic “fascists” just as we faced National Socialist Fascists in 1939, but you want Ron Paul in office and not to fight the modern Islamic fascists -- even after they attack us. You don’t want to give up the lies that feed your hatred of Christ and Christians; you will remain ignorant. Just realize that there are those who actually will read credible, contemporaneous documents about the topic being discussed rather than choose to spout out hateful and baseless lies.
1,148 posted on 09/24/2007 9:56:28 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Greg F

ROFL!!!
Is that the best you can do?
You yourself have shown on this thread just how dangerous you people are. You are denigrating Mormons because they will not submit to your demands to believe as you do.

The Nazis denigrated Jews and Gypsies. You denigrate Mormons and Wiccans but the message of intolerance and hate has remained the same.


1,149 posted on 09/24/2007 10:59:26 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman

Infra dig.


1,150 posted on 09/24/2007 11:01:25 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Greg F
Infra dig.
lol... You or I?
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1,151 posted on 09/24/2007 11:22:29 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman

1,152 posted on 09/24/2007 11:30:59 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Greg F

I win!


1,153 posted on 09/24/2007 11:48:30 AM PDT by radioman
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To: Saundra Duffy
Dobson the Christian is not going to support Romney the mormon without losing his following. Not going to happen. Gad, I could just see the uproar that would cause....his ministry would be finished.

The real question is who is left he could support? Hunter? Not really running very strongly at this point but neither was Bush 2 or Clinton on their first runs at this point. As a matter of fact for those thinking that whoever has the lead now makes any difference, Bush did not take the lead until halfway through the primary election, McCain was winning those first states until he showed his true colors and became know as McCainiac and Bush came from behind to win the primary, but it was a close thing for a while because of McCains head start from what I remember.

1,154 posted on 09/24/2007 12:07:19 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: radioman

“Want more?”

No. Still waiting for the first example that can be taken seriously.

You do not pay taxes to the church.

And Robertson does not receive tax dollars from the government.

Try again.


1,155 posted on 09/24/2007 1:03:49 PM PDT by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan
You do not pay taxes to the church.
Ever heard of Faith Based Charities? This program is supported with tax dollars. My tax dollars go to your church.

And Robertson does not receive tax dollars from the government.
lol...
Robertson receives over $1.5 million per year from the government. The federal government has made billions of unaudited tax dollars available to Christian churches and television ministries. Christians on a spending spree with government dollars... Praise the Lord!
1,156 posted on 09/24/2007 3:40:28 PM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman

As I posted earlier, you do not pay taxes to the church.

And Robertson does not receive tax funding, except if, as you claim, his organization provides tightly regulated contractual services to feed the poor or rehabilitate drug addicts or some other social services function in which a “faith-based” organization has proven to be more effective at it than the government.

You wouldn’t pay lower taxes if the same tax money was spent on some strictly secular bureaurcy instead.

“Faith-based” initiatives fall under the larger category of privatization, which any good free-marketer applauds as a more efficient use of govt funds — unless, of course, you believe “faith-based” private organizations should be discriminated against specifically on the basis that they’re faith-based, even if they’re willing to contract to provide some service the government wants cheaper or more effectively than the govt welfare bureaucracy.

You and I’d probably agree that the govt oughtta get out of a lot of “social servicing” stuff they do, period, regardless of whether they deliver the service via private contractual or public bureaucratic means.

None of which excuses your ridiculous assertion that modern-day evangelical Christian Americans are comparable to Hitler’s Brownshirts (who were, as a matter of historic fact, led by homosexuals).

Or your ridiculous, unsupported assertions that the Arlington Group’s goal is to take over America “at the point of a gun” or that evangelical Christians have “taken over” the Republican Party or that the Repub Party has been “destroyed.”


1,157 posted on 09/24/2007 4:11:09 PM PDT by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan
None of which excuses your ridiculous assertion that modern-day evangelical Christian Americans are comparable to Hitler’s Brownshirts (who were, as a matter of historic fact, led by homosexuals).

Like the evangelist Ted Haggard?
Sure looks like a valid comparison to me.
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1,158 posted on 09/24/2007 4:17:50 PM PDT by radioman
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To: xjcsa

I listened to the band you manage. Good stuff!


1,159 posted on 09/24/2007 4:52:50 PM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: John Leland 1789; thefactor

I will defend this man unless there is irreproachable evidence of being on the take.
_________________________

I did a little checking because of this thread regarding Dobson’s finances. He doesn’t even take a salary from his ministry anymore. No money to him from Focus on the Family.


1,160 posted on 09/24/2007 5:09:56 PM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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