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To: Greg F
1-Sorry, my Mormon FRiend. No group of Christians, from any church consider Mormon’s Christian.

No not all faiths feel that way, also what you are saying is an opinion which you try to give the perception and not a fact.

2- The reasons are that you are polytheists, believing in many gods; that you believe that you can become gods (which is the oldest of the lies of Satan);

We are not poly at all that is your distortion of what the LDS beleive.

I call it Godhead that the Father and Son & Holy Ghost, are 3 personages and you call it Trintiy and that they are 3 in one, but I would not berate you, nor your doctrine!

3-that you follow “scripture” that contradicts the Bible; that you deny the absolute truth of the Bible;

It is your choice to work with a half a loaf which creates a lack of understanding so to your mind it seems to contradict which when understood by the Holy Ghost one is filled with Joy!

4-that you condemn Christians as apostate; that you believe Joseph Smith takes part in your judgement at the end of time before Christ; etc.

The Church does not condemn because for the apostaty it is something that happen to you not something you did, when this took place you were not even born!

5-Am I a Mormon? If no, then who (put in a haughty tone here) “appointed you arbiter?”

You are the one calling our doctrine from Satan I would not call asking that question Haunty I would call it reasonable it is you who was judging us from an unrigheous place!

I am a convert by the power of the Holy Ghost and you will hear simular from converts why they move on from MS religion seeking answers and being fullfil in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!

I wish those who are satisfied and comfotable in their faith God Bless.

1,142 posted on 09/24/2007 8:30:30 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to do the right thing! Press Forward Mitt!)
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To: restornu; Greg F
4-that you condemn Christians as apostate; that you believe Joseph Smith takes part in your judgement at the end of time before Christ; etc. [Greg F] The Church does not condemn because for the apostaty it is something that happen to you not something you did, when this took place you were not even born![Restornu]

OK, Resty, is your spin cycle complete yet?

For you to be consistent on this, you would have to say the same thing about historic Christians at the time of the alleged "First Vision" to Joseph. (A "why blame them? the apostasy occurred before the 1800s?" line you spout). But Smith said he was told to join "none of the churches"--that, present-tense their creeds were all an "abomination" unto God & their leaders corrupt.

Now fast-forward to 2007: Are you trying to tell us with a straight face that when Mormons read Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, vv. 18-19...they are thinking of ONLY the original apostates of the faith (the first and closely ensuing generations)?

Nope. Not true. LDS think of ALL other church members as apostates; as creedal abominations unto God (as if the Holy Spirit couldn't preserve truth for 1500 years); as corrupt. "...to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS, FOR EVER AND EVER!" (Eph. 3:21)

BTW, Resty, "all" in the Greek = "all" (generations...including your alleged generations & centuries of apostasy; so stop calling the apostle Paul & the Holy Spirit a liar)

I mean it's almost comical to hear your "why you're-not-to-blame-you-poor-child-you...the apostasy occurred before the 1800s!" [Kind of sounds like: "Why you're not to blame for being white trash. Your mom & dad before you were white trash; and so were your grandfolks; and so were their folks and grandfolks; and on on."]

And THAT comment kind of sounds similar to comments LDS leaders for years have been saying about African-Americans and African continentals: "Why you're-not-to-blame-you-poor-child-you for being excluded from the priesthood (pre-1978 years). Your spirit-in-heaven forefathers and foremothers were less-than-valiant in the great war in heaven, and tried to remain neutral; therefore you were "cursed" with black skin [Disclaimer: LDS leaders' words, not mine]. As the Book of Mormon says, Native Americans will one day become "white and delightsome" (like us!)."

1,205 posted on 09/25/2007 6:54:32 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: restornu; Greg F
2- The reasons are that you are polytheists, believing in many gods; that you believe that you can become gods (which is the oldest of the lies of Satan);[Greg F] We are not poly at all that is your distortion of what the LDS beleive. I call it Godhead that the Father and Son & Holy Ghost, are 3 personages and you call it Trintiy and that they are 3 in one, but I would not berate you, nor your doctrine![Restornu]

Nice camouflage, Resty. Let's do a Mormon "Scripture" ad history review on the number of gods, shall we, to see if it's a "distortion" as you claim?

Number of gods in the Book of Mormon: 1 (Alma 11:26-29 is as plain as day).

Number of primary gods in Joseph Smith's latter years: 3 ("three Gods...low and behold! We have three Gods anyhow"--Joseph Smith, History of the Church).

Number of additional gods in early Mormonism? Smith refers to a "council of gods" (exact number unknown, but from the brother of Mitt Romney's ancestor, LDS apostle Orson Pratt, we know it's a lot: "there are more gods than there are particles of matter" -- Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345).

Question: Is this just a matter of 19th century conjecture, or have the general authorities of more recent times spoken more authoritatively on this?

Answer: We just have to go to a few choice quotes from a Mr. Spencer W. Kimball, who was the LDS "prophet" a few "prophets" ago: "Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose that 225,000 of you may become gods" (Ensign Magazine, official publication of the LDS church, from a speech November 1975--and 1980 republished). "In each of us is the potentiality to become a God" (Tribune, Oct. 7, 1974). "Man can transform himself, but he has in him the seeds of Godhood that can grow. He can lift himself by his very bootstraps" (Tribune, Sept. 18, 1974).

So Kimball confirms Apostle Pratt's particles opinion, basically saying "in each of us is the potentiality to become a God"--which is a lot of gods.

Yet you have the audacity to think we're all so simple-minded that we can't count. You have the audacity to claim "we are not poly [theistic] at all." (if the 3 personages you concede are different "gods," then how is that not poly?

Now re: the number of gods worshipped by Mormons:

Number of gods LDS general authorities concede they worship: 2 (McConkie, MD, p. 848).

And why does McConkie have to conclude this? Well not only do multiple Bible passages show that Jesus is worshipped--like Hebrews 1:6--but the Book of Mormon confesses this as well in 3 Nephi, which happens to be, BTW, the name 3 Nephi in which Jesus is prayed to DIRECTLY even tho LDS leaders now backtrack on that {what an amazing maze).

It's time to 'fess up to polytheism (Poly wants a cracker)

1,206 posted on 09/25/2007 7:02:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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