Posted on 09/19/2007 5:06:11 AM PDT by shrinkermd
...At UCLA, I've met undocumented students who were brought to the United States as infants, and others who arrived so long ago that English is the only language they speak without an accent. It makes no sense to deport these kids now -- and realistically, we won't, not more than a handful. It makes just as little sense to keep them here in illegal, unskilled jobs.
A bill called the DREAM Act recognizes that fact. Proposed by Utah Republican Sen. Orrin G. Hatch and sponsored by broad, bipartisan coalitions in the House and Senate (including five presidential candidates), the DREAM Act is simple and pragmatic: If a kid like Lucia has grown up in the United States and graduated from high school, she earns conditional citizenship. If she graduates from college or serves in the military, she earns the right to stay. Unlike broad amnesty proposals, which critics say apply mostly to low-wage foreign workers, the DREAM Act offers citizenship only to kids who were brought up in the U.S. and are poised to become taxpaying members of the middle class
...The DREAM Act has gotten tangled up in the push for comprehensive immigration reform, tacked onto one complicated bill after another. Each one collapsed over more controversial ideas. Now, for the first time, the bill is expected to see a vote separate from sweeping immigration proposals. It is an easy piece of immigration reform, with a fundamentally American solution: an opportunity for good kids to prove themselves and earn their place here.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
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...and while we are at it...no more public school for the children of illegals, deport them with their parents. No more citizen status for the babies of illegals...treat them as though they are not subjuect to the lawas of the same...because they are here illegally to take advantage of a percieved legal loophole. No more paying for college for illelgalas or their children, no more food stamps, no more free health care. If they have an emergency, treat them, then charge them for it by getting some work out of them that pays that debt as they are witing for deportation. Check the legal status of people when applying for any government and then apply these rules to the sme.
No need for a minor change...it will accomplish nothing. What we need to do is fix the invasion and then make sure that the invaders are rounded up and deported, while removing every incentive for them to stay so that job is easier as the majority of them self-deport as a result.
Seems logical... But we have seen how every logical proposal becomes a circus of abuse the moment it is implemented.
I say we start with simple things first, get them right, and then move on to the complicated stuff.
Didn’t this get voted on in the Senate yesterday? What was the outcome?
And how shameful is it to attempt to tack it onto the DOD bill?
Yes, it does, in the surface facts given. As usual, the devil is in the details, which will include loading the "Dream Act" with a lot of other amnesty baggage. Until the border is PROVEN secured, NO amnesty of any sort to anybody.
We have 12,000,000 illegals walking around and a totally out of control situation, and the first thing we hear about is the exceptions needed for allowing some of the illegals to STAY.....
Sends the worst possible message, deporting these people would send a loud and clear message, It’s over!
All the left needs to do to get my support is FIRST seal the border. Stop the flow coming in, and I'll talk Amnesty with them.
I'm also willing to increase legal immigration levels dramatically.
My problem with the current situation is the fact that we are overloaded with Spanish-speaking immigrants. I'd much rather have 50,000 Laotians, 50,000 Ghanians, 50,000 Ukrainians, 50,000 Poles (Maybe 500,000 Poles - They have the freedom/capitalism thing down!). I'd like legal immigration to be as high (or higher) than the current level of legal and illegal immigration COMBINED. By spreading the immigration over many language and culture groups, assimilation is greatly enhanced. 12 million Spanish-speakers means they can keep their language and culture and never assimilate. (Failure to assimilate means making this country more like the hell-hole they are fleeing.)
The other problem with taking in SO many from Mexico and Central America is that we provide a "relief valve" for those devastated by corruption and (other) leftist policies. Those countries can continue being corrupt socialist hell-holes because we take away their incentive to revolt.
Chain migration. All these new citizens bring in more, all on a path to citizenship.
Amen.
That’s funny, I had to work three jobs to put my two through college... and i’m a citizen.
How about citizen’s children that lose those spots?
How about military wives and children who, because of state residency rules, can’t get in? How about we help them first.
How about inner city children (like those who almost made it but were executed by illegals in NJ), getting some money poured into their schools for programs that prepare them for college?
Oh, and did we miss who’s paying?
There are all kinds of horrendous hidden flaws in this act like there was in the 'comprehensive reform' bill.
He said ANY illegal (of any age) can apply for this amnesty - all they have to do is claim that when they crossed the border illegal that they were under the age of 16 at the time...almost impossible to prove or disprove. As soon as the illegal files the paperwork application they are given immunity from deportation for as long as the application is being processed.
This proposal is not the starting place. We should start with securing the border. If we can secure the border, then we can deport criminal aliens (drug dealers, rapists, murderers, robbers, gangsters, and other felons) without fear, expectation, or even reasonably possibility that they will return. Sure, some illegal aliens arrive legally and overstay their visas, but at least they got some visa initially, and that required some sort of screening for serious criminals. Some jump the northern border or arrive on marine vessels.
But the overwhelming majority of transnational criminal gangsters operate across the southwestern border; they indeed control that border. Until and unless we take control of our southwestern border and drastically reduce the phenomenon of illegal immigration through border hopping, we cannot sensibly deal with the illegal immigrants already here. If we deport random illegal immigrants, then those most unlikely to contribute to American society (transnational criminal gangsters) are most likely to return unless and until we control our own border. After we control our southwestern border, we should find the illegal immigrants in the state and federal prisons and return them to foreign prisons (or release them into the general Mexican population if they so prefer). We then can seek out illegal-immigrant felons on parole or probation.
But “jump the border and you’re good to stay” has been our de facto immigration policy so long that some sort of amnesty makes sense. We should not contemplate any amnesty, however, until we reduce the influx of illegal immigrants to a trickle.
That's the whole point. Rather than seeing it as a problem, it's exactly what the Administration thinks it needs to do - and why it has been so lax on border enforcement. Otherwise, they fear these countries will fall into China/Venezuela/Cuba's sphere of influence.
"He may be an SOB, but he's our SOB!" is still standard procedure for the USA, and goes a long way toward answering the "Why do they hate us?" question the MSM loves to kick around.
For everyone who came here at 1 there are thousands who came here much older and tougher. Plus suddenly there will be a boom market in altered birth documents in Mexico and elsewhere with their normal curruption.
I know a mexican gal who brought here two sisters in with altered birth certificates showing they were here daughters!
They all now have sons who are in the “system”..juvenile hall and prison. Three women four crimnals with 7th grade educations..
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."
The rest of the story.
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country and for citizens of other countries residing ILLEGALLY in our Republic."
CALL YOUR SENATORS TODAY
The AMERICAN people have SPOKEN...NO AMNESTY!!
NO DEALS, NO EARNED AMNESTY, NO PATH TO, OR ASPIRATIONS OF, CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS!
These Senators Won’t Pledge Vote Against DREAM Amnesty
(September 18) Today, the Senate resumed consideration of H.R. 1585, the Defense Department authorization bill for fiscal year 2008. At some point during the debate over the next few days, open-borders senators will attempt to attach three proposals that, when taken together, would grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and dramatically increase the importation of foreign workers at a time 10 million Americans are looking for jobs and can’t find employment.
The floor vote on the amendment containing the DREAM Act amnesty (SA 2237) may occur on Wednesday, September 19. It will take 41 NO votes to kill this amnesty and, at this point, not enough Senators have committed to help.
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
The DREAM Act (Amendment 2237 to the Defense Authorization bill) is a nightmare. It is a massive amnesty that extends to the millions of illegal aliens who entered the United States before the age of 16.
* The DREAM Act allows illegal “teens” to petition for their parents, leading eventually to their aunts, uncles, grandparents and cousins:
The big argument for this amnesty is that it is for teenagers who are here illegally because their parents broke the law. As you will see in later bullet points, far more than teens can get this amnesty. Nonetheless, the argument is that the teenagers should not be punished for the crimes of their parents.
But as soon as DREAM amnesty citizens are over 21, they can bring in their parents who broke the law to get them into the country. The chief criminals will be rewarded after all.
And because of Chain Migration, the amnestied “teens” can see their aunts, uncles, cousins and grandparents getting permanent U.S. residency as well.
* The DREAM Act does not Protect Americans from Terrorists and Criminals:
Illegal immigrants are not required to submit fingerprints or undergo background security checks at any point in the DREAM Act process. Therefore, DHS has no way of learning whether an alien seeking DREAM Act amnesty is a terrorist or criminal. This security failure is compounded by the confidentiality section of the DREAM Act, which is a relic from pre-9/11 days (it’s modeled on the fraud-prone 1986 amnesty). This section basically requires DHS to hide information about terrorist and criminal aliens from itself. If a DHS adjudicator at USCIS learns from a DREAM Act application that an alien poses terrorist or criminal concerns, the adjudicator is prohibited from alerting ICE enforcement officers at DHS, and in fact, if the adjudicator did volunteer such information to ICE, he could be fined $10,000. To cap it all, DHS is prohibited from removing from the United States all aliens, including criminals, terrorists, fraudsters, and other ineligible aliens while they have a DREAM Act application pending, even if that application is based upon fraud or the alien is ineligible.
* The DREAM Act Offers Citizenship to Illegal Aliens Who Lack Good Moral Character:
The DREAM Act does not require that aliens have a history of good moral character; it only requires that they have good moral character from the time that they apply. This means that criminal aliens, terrorists, and other aliens who lack good moral character before they apply get an amnesty for their pre-application period conduct, no matter how bad or extensive that conduct.
* The DREAM Act is Not Just for Young People:
Sponsors insist that the point of the DREAM Act is to provide legal status to “kids” and “young people.” However, the DREAM Act is not directed at minors, as there is no age cap involved. Anyone, regardless of age, who illegally entered the United States before the age of 16 and has illegally remained here for 5 years or more will qualify for lawful permanent residence (and eventual citizenship) if they satisfy the easily-met criteria for DREAM Act amnesty.
* The DREAM Act is a Big Amnesty:
It’s estimated there are some 2 million illegal immigrant children in the United States. They are only a portion of the millions of aliens who will likely qualify for the DREAM Act amnesty, because the DREAM Act does not place a cap on the number of people who qualify, does not limit the age of those who qualify, and applies retroactively to anyone who first entered before age 16.
* The DREAM Act is Deceptive:
The marketing campaign for the DREAM Act makes as though the amnesty is intended for high school graduates who are on their way to college or military service. But the bill as written ensures that illegal immigrants don’t have to attend high school or go to college to qualify for the amnesty: they need only take an ability-to-benefit test and complete a 1-year vocational program to get eventual citizenship (and there’s no requirement that they actually complete their college education). Nor do aliens have to join the Armed Forces: they need only go to work for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or Public Health Service for 2 years to get eventual citizenship.
* The DREAM Act is a Fraud Machine:
We know from experience that amnesty from immigration laws generates massive fraud, and the DREAM Act is no exception. Nothing in the DREAM Act will prevent a 50-year old alien from asserting that he entered the United States before the age of 16 and has remained here ever since. The DREAM Act is silent on how DHS will determine the veracity of such claims. The DREAM Act will actually promote fraud because it prevents DHS from deporting aliens who’ve applied for the amnesty until their applications are resolved – a process that will likely take years, because DHS lacks the resources to rapidly process the millions of applications it will receive. Even if DHS eventually decides that some aliens do not qualify for the amnesty, DHS cannot use the statements aliens made in their applications to deport them, because their statements are protected by the confidentiality section in the DREAM Act.
* The DREAM Act is Unfair to American Students and Taxpayers:
The DREAM Act would repeal the 1996 law which says that State colleges and universities cannot offer in-state tuition benefits to resident illegal immigrants unless they offer the same benefits to students who are U.S. citizens. So, an 18-year old United States citizen attending school in a different state will pay substantially more money for his college education than a 30-year old illegal alien residing in that state. Because public colleges and universities are heavily subsidized by taxpayers, Americans end up paying the bill for educating illegal immigrants. Further, because the repeal of the 1996 law is retroactive, illegal aliens who formerly paid out-of-state tuition will have the ability and motivation to sue for the difference between what they paid and the in-state rate.
* The DREAM Act Puts Illegal Immigrants at the Front of the Line for Green Cards:
The DREAM Act requires that applications for its amnesty must be expedited, bars DHS from charging fees for expedited service, and fails to provide DHS the additional personnel and equipment needed to handle expedited applications. Because millions of people will file applications for DREAM Act amnesty (regardless of whether or not they eventually qualify), DHS will experience a significant backlog of cases that will necessarily slow DHS’ ability to process conventional business and family visas, and applications for naturalization. This will adversely impact our economy, and disrupt the settled expectations of intending legal immigrants to the United States.
* The DREAM Act Will Allow Dangerous Criminal Aliens to Remain At Large in the United States:
DHS lacks the resources to detain all criminal aliens it encounters in the United States, and so DHS has to pick and choose which criminals to hold for deportation. When DHS deports a criminal alien, the detention or “bed space” vacated by the out-going criminal is immediately filled by another criminal alien. The DREAM Act does not disqualify anyone (even criminals) from filing an application and bars DHS from removing any alien who’s filed an application for amnesty. Thus, criminal aliens who have no desire to be deported will file DREAM Act applications to halt or slow their deportations, which means they will spend more time taking up detention space which could be used to house other criminal aliens. That means more criminal aliens whom DHS cannot house will be free to roam the United States. The DREAM Act also creates an opportunity for extremely dangerous criminal aliens to be released into the general population. By law, a criminal alien who is subject to a final order of removal must be released from DHS custody within 90 days if his removal is not “reasonably foreseeable.” As mentioned previously, the DREAM Act does not allocate resources to DHS to process the millions of applications that are sure to be filed, which will result in very lengthy delays. The result? A dangerous criminal alien who would otherwise have been removed from the United States files his DREAM Act application, and when that application stalls at DHS with millions of others, he can file a petition in a district court after 90 days to effect his release because his removal is not “reasonably foreseeable.”
http://www.numbersusa.com/actionalerts
Another sneaky amnesty bill... I was led to believe all these illegals were in the shadows...how are they going to track these illegal kids, and make sure they abide by the rules...
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