I have no issues with Native Americans, like you I just don’t care for this “NOBLE WARRIOR” and “eathly angel” romanticized PC crap that is perpetuated about them.
You object to my calling of the native american peoples at the times of the majority of our ancestors conflicts as savages. I however do stand by that classification.
Does this mean they were all inately evil? Of course not. The native americans and european settlers conflicts spread over hundreds of years and thousands of square miles.... with attrocities committed by all involved.
While it was the murder of one native american that lead to the massacre at Jamestown and other settlements (after years of confrontations regarding land and other issues) It was the Indians who massacred nearly 350 men women and children, not the Europeans. To believe that such acts would not draw the ire and wrath of the Settlers (acts that repeated themselves on small and large scales throughout hundreds of years) is naive. While europe was no peaceful contintent, the wholesale slaughter of women and children, not just military enlistments was not an act remotely acceptable, it was an act of a barbarism to the Europeans... while native americans may have committed such acts toward each other over millenia and thought nothing of them beyond a victory or a loss, such is not largely the view of the civilized world.
Alas this tactic of slaughtering all, rape and kidnapping of women, to send messages or to “protect” their lands, was a perpetual theme that again and again was taken by indians of various tribes on the contenent over the centuries.
End of the day, the native americans and the european settlers fought a war, one that spanned hundreds of years and an entire continent. In the end the native americans were conquered... CONQUERED, and faced a fate that every conquered people throughout history have known. No worse, no better.
Those that claim Genocide do not understand the meaning of genocide... Certainly if the european settlers goal was to ensure no native american blood ever flowed again in this nation, they had the means to accomplish it should they have chosen to exercise it.
I wish no ill will to the native american decendants here today, I do not view them as traitors or evil. I just don’t buy into the idealized and politically correct narrative of the conflicts between our ancestors. Nor do I personally carry or feel any guilt over the outcome.
I disagree. The rounding up and removal of people to camps, the campaigns against the people, women children the "laws" passed putting prices on the head of people sounds like genocide to me. If the centuries of war against AI's was not genocide then I believe nothing short of success is.
I would very much like to debate this (and other topics) further with you as we are interested in similar histories.
I wish no ill will to the native american decendants here today, I do not view them as traitors or evil. I just don’t buy into the idealized and politically correct narrative of the conflicts between our ancestors. Nor do I personally carry or feel any guilt over the outcome.
We are not "decendants" we are Americans, we are also American Indians. This idealized PC cr@p is a hustle and you know it, just like it is for the protected groups. The diffence is for the most part AI's have yet to get in on the PC gravy train.
I have known Indians that had direct experience of the war between our peoples and to many, it was not that long ago.
Right now, people should pay close attention to what happened to AI's - broken treaties, law passed but not enforced, stolen lands. It is my belief that now as it happen then, our government will ignore and break the law and allow unchecked immigration to achieve a "greater good".
History has a funny way of repeating
it was NOT for LACK of DESIRE and/or WANT of TRYING, that the Indian-HATERS failed in their "glorious crusade to cleanse the world of the "red, soulless savages"!
free dixie,sw
It wasn’t just a tactic of American Indians, but a tactic of virtually all tribal societies over all of human existence. Just read the Illiad if you want examples of Europeans from recorded history, or the hundred years war for a later example near the birth of the nation-state.