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To: HamiltonJay
Those that claim Genocide do not understand the meaning of genocide... Certainly if the european settlers goal was to ensure no native american blood ever flowed again in this nation, they had the means to accomplish it should they have chosen to exercise it.

I disagree. The rounding up and removal of people to camps, the campaigns against the people, women children the "laws" passed putting prices on the head of people sounds like genocide to me. If the centuries of war against AI's was not genocide then I believe nothing short of success is.

I would very much like to debate this (and other topics) further with you as we are interested in similar histories.

I wish no ill will to the native american decendants here today, I do not view them as traitors or evil. I just don’t buy into the idealized and politically correct narrative of the conflicts between our ancestors. Nor do I personally carry or feel any guilt over the outcome.

We are not "decendants" we are Americans, we are also American Indians. This idealized PC cr@p is a hustle and you know it, just like it is for the protected groups. The diffence is for the most part AI's have yet to get in on the PC gravy train.

I have known Indians that had direct experience of the war between our peoples and to many, it was not that long ago.

Right now, people should pay close attention to what happened to AI's - broken treaties, law passed but not enforced, stolen lands. It is my belief that now as it happen then, our government will ignore and break the law and allow unchecked immigration to achieve a "greater good".

History has a funny way of repeating

80 posted on 09/19/2007 10:01:19 AM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: NativeSon

Everyone should always keep a close watch on their government, this we will certainly agree on.

Where we are just going to have to agree to disagree is calling the history of the conflict Genocide. If european settlers has wished genocide upon the native americans, honestly you and I would not be having this conversation, as you and your bloodline would no longer exist. That’s the definition of genocide.

Genocide: (n) the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Native Americans cannot claim they have been exterminated, in fact more claim Native American blood today than when the Europeans first arrived her. What Germany did with the Jews was attempted genocide, what happened to the native americans, was not. Does this mean no horrible things happened? Of course not, but calling it Genocide is just not appropriate.

Part of the PC nonsense is to bandy about words beyond their meanings for shock value. IE calling Bush a Nazi.. or Conservatives “Fascists”... This is the what is being done when GENOCIDE is used in relation to the native americans. While it may not have been something moral, that doesn’t make it a Genocide.

There have been true genocides in history. I personally have little doubt, had the Native Americans won the war against the europeans you’d be hard pressed to find more than a trace of caucasian blood on this continent. Children and women were not spared their wrath, except for a few women who were taken as wives and spoils of war. What the native americans have been through, was not and is not genocide, if it was as I stated before you and I would not be having this conversation.


83 posted on 09/19/2007 10:55:32 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: NativeSon
And I’ll say it again: the word genocide is often used instead of the true reason, GREED. (Yurok tribe,N.Calif.)
84 posted on 09/19/2007 11:09:21 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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