I give up, bbq sauce?
Much The holier than though in touch with nature crap might play in 1970s public service ads to put your garbage in the can... but it just doesn’t jive with reality
How much value did your ancestors place on the Hopi and Pueblos they slaughtered and massacred?
Please don’t try this line of crap, it doesn’t fly.
You're not talking with some tree hugger, I grew up in inner city Philly -a product of relocation. The fact remains that the white immigrants to this country massacred my ancestors, period. We got scr*wed, even today we're still gettin' it (read up on Clinton's gang destroying AI records).
My family never bought into the whole "noble savage" bvllsh*t, we know different. Ever seen AI's fight? why do you think we make good soldiers?
I have no problem with killing the enemy and in war, the more you kill the better. The biliganna has always been very good at killing the enemy and very good at winning war - I attribute (tech advance) this partially to a written and easily reproduced language but more on that another time.
My beef is that whenever a "Indian thing" comes up everyone trots out the "they were savages and deserved it because..."
and I like to counter with what if I substituted another group of people in there, say bl*cks, j*ws or l*tinos?
Questioned the h0l0caust and prepare for battle - in some countries, jail- debate slavery and you are a racist, JJ and Rainbow connection will stop by for donations, come out against illegal M*xican immigration and well, you know how that goes , the law means nothing.
We don't spy on the US and give secrets to other countries because of religious allegiance to another supposedly friendly nation, we don't run around causing huge percentages of crime and making up the major ranks of prisoners, we don't over run hospital ER's with our illegal families looking for handouts.
For the most part, we wanted to be left alone.
and for the record, that "crying indian" in those commericals was Italian, look it up... the 70's were not a good time for my family
I have no issues with Native Americans, like you I just don’t care for this “NOBLE WARRIOR” and “eathly angel” romanticized PC crap that is perpetuated about them.
You object to my calling of the native american peoples at the times of the majority of our ancestors conflicts as savages. I however do stand by that classification.
Does this mean they were all inately evil? Of course not. The native americans and european settlers conflicts spread over hundreds of years and thousands of square miles.... with attrocities committed by all involved.
While it was the murder of one native american that lead to the massacre at Jamestown and other settlements (after years of confrontations regarding land and other issues) It was the Indians who massacred nearly 350 men women and children, not the Europeans. To believe that such acts would not draw the ire and wrath of the Settlers (acts that repeated themselves on small and large scales throughout hundreds of years) is naive. While europe was no peaceful contintent, the wholesale slaughter of women and children, not just military enlistments was not an act remotely acceptable, it was an act of a barbarism to the Europeans... while native americans may have committed such acts toward each other over millenia and thought nothing of them beyond a victory or a loss, such is not largely the view of the civilized world.
Alas this tactic of slaughtering all, rape and kidnapping of women, to send messages or to “protect” their lands, was a perpetual theme that again and again was taken by indians of various tribes on the contenent over the centuries.
End of the day, the native americans and the european settlers fought a war, one that spanned hundreds of years and an entire continent. In the end the native americans were conquered... CONQUERED, and faced a fate that every conquered people throughout history have known. No worse, no better.
Those that claim Genocide do not understand the meaning of genocide... Certainly if the european settlers goal was to ensure no native american blood ever flowed again in this nation, they had the means to accomplish it should they have chosen to exercise it.
I wish no ill will to the native american decendants here today, I do not view them as traitors or evil. I just don’t buy into the idealized and politically correct narrative of the conflicts between our ancestors. Nor do I personally carry or feel any guilt over the outcome.