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While the unconstitutional NICS system remains in existence, wouldn't you want these guys detained immediately, not just block the sale? Indemnify FFL dealers to make arrests.
1 posted on 09/17/2007 11:37:34 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Bloomberg and Lautenburg may declare all of us terrorists, if they see it as a way to grab guns.


2 posted on 09/17/2007 11:43:21 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: neverdem
What does Bloomberg know about terrorists? He wouldn't know one if it bit his head off...

He has one on his Human Rights Commission. One, Omar Mohammedi, who is general counsel to the New York chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations. He was appointed to be one of 14 members of the city's Human Rights Commission, charged with enforcing the city's anti-discrimination laws. However, Omar has been linked with a group that has been accused of condoning terrorism, and peddling conspiracy theories about the September 11 attack.

Maybe Bloomy should check his closet for guns?

7 posted on 09/18/2007 12:13:32 AM PDT by BigFinn (Islam= a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories resulting in mayhem and death.)
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To: neverdem

I don’t fear a single terrorist (heck, even a group of terrorists) .... if the citizens are armed and able to defend themselves.


8 posted on 09/18/2007 12:55:55 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: neverdem
Why, all Mr. Bloomberg need do is to have the potential gun buyer fill out a form stating that they are not a terrorist. If they check the terrorist box, then the gun sale is denied. Simple.

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9 posted on 09/18/2007 1:28:53 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: neverdem

The terrorist watch lists used at the airport are a joke.
Virtually everyone with a common name is on the list!

For instance, anyone with the name David Nelson, Jack Baldwin, Alexandra Hay, Robert Johnson, etc. gets hassled when they try to board an airliner at the nation’s airport, because these names appear on a terrorist watch list. The same is true for countless people with common names....there are tens of thousands of other common names on these watch lists.

So, if these innocent non-terrorist Americans wanted to buy a gun, they would be barred from doing so under this bill.

Welcome to the screwed up American police state.


10 posted on 09/18/2007 2:25:36 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (My number one goal in life is to leave a bigger carbon footprint than Al Gore.)
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To: neverdem

I’d have to oppose Bloomberg on this. Since when is the ‘terrorism watch list’ a judicial process that establishes someone’s unfitness to own firearms? This would set a terribly dangerous precedent. Like other posters have mentioned, what if someone in the government bureaucracy dislikes you, and decides to stick your name into the ‘terrorism watch list’ database? What is the process by which you can have your name cleared or removed? I don’t think there is one.

Once you establish that people on government ‘watch lists’ can be denied the freedom to purchase firearms, what is next? What if there is a ‘watch list’ one day for ‘subversive persons’ that would not only bar you from firearms purchases, but also things like vehicle registrations or business licenses? What, exactly, would stop this sort of abuse?

Of course, since this is a political grandstand, I doubt anyone proposing this really cares...


11 posted on 09/18/2007 2:34:04 AM PDT by seacapn
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To: neverdem

Their illegal plan is going NOWHERE. Why is it that liberals hate the No-Fly list, as a violation of civil rights (and full of errors!) but then OK the same list being used to stop people from buying guns? If these people are so dangerous - ARREST them! Bloomboy is a loser.


14 posted on 09/18/2007 5:55:42 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: neverdem

“Name, please.”

“Achmed.”

“And your occupation, please.”

“I’m a terrorist.”

“I’m sorry, but according to the new Bloomberg Law, no weapons for you! Next.”

Seee how well this works?


15 posted on 09/18/2007 5:58:58 AM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: neverdem

As I recal, part of the problem here is that the authorities may not have let on that some of these folks are suspected of being or associating with terrorists. And once they try to buy a weapon, the cat’s out of the bag.
There was great debate here whether it’s best to not let them legally buy weapons and therfore warn them, or to let them buythe weapons and continue to monitor their movements (I opted for the latter).


16 posted on 09/18/2007 6:39:49 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: neverdem

I’d rather not have terrorists on the loose at all, whether they are training hijackers in close hand to hand combat, poisoning the minds of children and gangbangers with hate, harvesting anthrax or bubonic plague, making pipe bombs, threatening to take down the power grid, stuffing a car with fertilizer bombs, etc.

We’ve had domestic terrorist attacks with guns and the public has been reminded that we have had “no” domestic terrorist attacks” since 9-11-2001. Forget about those shootings in the DC area, the LAX Air Israel thing, the mall shooting in Utah, the Jewish community center in Seattle...

This is just gun grabber legislation. They aren’t serious about fighting terrorism yet.


17 posted on 09/18/2007 7:00:17 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: neverdem

Bloomberg’s interpretation of terrorist = law abiding citizen.


22 posted on 09/18/2007 9:44:42 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: neverdem
Yesterday, the mayor and Senator Lautenberg of New Jersey, a lead sponsor of the bill, said current federal law has an inexcusable loophole that allows individuals on terrorism watch lists to purchase guns legally.

"Sentence first, trial after!!" -- Queen of Hearts

23 posted on 09/18/2007 10:18:23 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: neverdem

Wait until they use the “patriot” act to come after gun owners. It will happen in the next 10 years.


24 posted on 09/18/2007 10:33:11 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: neverdem
neverdem said: "... wouldn't you want these guys detained immediately ..."

Not only detained. We all know that terrorist suspects have no right to a trial. Congress should just pass legislation that not only permits, but requires that gun dealers immediately shoot dead anybody denied a clearance to own guns by the government.

Wait .... Why wait for the terrorist to attempt to purchase a gun. Why not require gun dealers to hunt down terrorist suspects and kill them where they live? Much safer for the gun dealers.

No ... Wait .... Why not require ANYBODY to hunt down terrorist suspects?

On a slightly different matter, how do I contact the FBI to report my suspicions regarding possible terrorist suspects? I know of some who would deny me my right to keep and bear arms and who would kill me, my family, and my pets to do so.

25 posted on 09/18/2007 10:35:30 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: neverdem
Folks if these 2 are for it, I am against it. Particularly when it comes to gun laws. I would not trust the as far as I could throw them.
27 posted on 09/18/2007 1:40:39 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: neverdem
"the unconstitutional NICS system"

Can you explain how the NICS is unconstitutional?

28 posted on 09/18/2007 2:25:12 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: neverdem
Bloomberg is an unindicted felon. He has set up scores of straw purchases, a violation of Federal firearms laws.

Why hasn’t this criminal been arrested?

35 posted on 09/18/2007 9:46:01 PM PDT by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: neverdem
Essence:

we know who many of them are, and we're not doing anything about it.

So...go bother people who aren't "them"?

40 posted on 09/19/2007 1:40:44 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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